N/A Why PCP airguns are so expensive?

[357cal]

If you find the big bore is too loud you can get a moderator just as easily as you buy the pcp. Try to get one for a firearm. I have had a modified 25 cal Avenger, 2 Airforce Texan 257,308 both modified, and Aea 357 big bore, all would out perform a standard 22 firearm and more so after 100 yards. The 25 cal was deadly at 110 yards and the rest of them, hitting 10-inch steel at 200 plus yards, no problem but, it also much safer than firearms. Your firearms shoot 2-3 miles in most cases, how often is your game that far away? Where is that bullet going if you miss is more worrie some than a pcp. I do think firearms have their place, Moose,Grizzly and even then, a pcp can be used. I would defiantly carry 44 mag as back up!

 

[Caliber 22]

Try to get one for a firearm.

In SA we have no restrictions or control on silencers. You can buy and use it like you want.

 

[Firewalker]

In SA we have no restrictions or control on silencers. You can buy and use it like you want.

That's cool but the OP doesn't live there.

 

[Chukar60]

No real way to compare the costs of a PCP to a PB.
PB’s are a relatively simple design. You have a steel tube that holds a cartridge. Then you have the trigger, magazine and stock.
I will grant that a precision PB has some refined machining involved but it still remains a simple mechanism. All the power is provided by the ammunition. Nothing in the way of power is built into the rifle itself.

PCP’s store their power within the system. You have a vessel to hold and contain high pressure air. Then the HPA needs to be transferred to the barrel. Depending on the PCP it can be unregulated, single regulator or two regulators. Add a means to adjust the air pulse to the barrel and things get far more complex than a PB’s firing system.

The amount of work required to build the PCP and make them function at the current level is more complex and require far more parts than a PB does.

We have all chosen to shoot air powered guns for one reason or another. The cost of them is provided up front and we all know what they are up front. Complaining about the cost of them is pointless. You either pay the price or keep shooting just your PB.

 

[jmohme]

Yes I do but this forum does not like us discussing things that may rock the boat. Since the info is already here I'll tell you the wholesale price of an impact, around $950 came to light as the result of legal action. If we continue on this topic the thread will likely be locked so let's not mess it up for others.
I have a great deal of business experience and can tell you this is not high mark up when you consider units sold per retail outlet.

As do I. From product concept, to design, development, production, and sale to the end user, but not with air guns.
I cant imagine it being all that different, but with no actual data, it is all meaningless, so agreed, just we should just drop it.

 

[Josh-L]

Definitely agree they are charging a higher margin than powder burners in my opinion

 

[RossK]

There's lots of 2-300 - 2-3000 dollar powder burners and everything in-between. Air rifles have lots of choices in the same pricing ranges
Can't compare the two,....apples to oranges comparison

 

[jmohme]

All this talk about the high airgun prices, I think I will go out back and make my Prophet earn its keep!
It is the cheapest therapy that I have at my disposal.

 

[RM.510bigbore]

I have crossbows, too. If it comes to a silent kill I'll take a crossbow any day. It is by the way more precise and consistent, too.

I hate.to.say it but pcp s are much more durable than crossbows. Ill take my Airsaber over any crossbow made in the accuracy and reliability department. I have thrown 3 crossbows in the trash...They don't last that long and parts not available. Even the new Ravins break, at a $3500.00 price point...

 

[vtl]

I hate.to.say it but pcp s are much more durable than crossbows. Ill take my Airsaber over any crossbow made in the accuracy and reliability department. I have thrown 3 crossbows in the trash...They don't last that long and parts not available. Even the new Ravins break, at a $3500.00 price point...

I have a Centerpoint Sniper for 4 years. Using it year round, including in freezing temps. Only replaced a string once. Not sure what can break there besides the limbs, it is a very sturdy and simple design. It's not pushing power over the roof, but is very accurate up to 70 yards and still does some penetration. I shot over 100 yards, too - it gets the bolt where I aimed, but has no power left.

 

[Airfuture]

Simple answer, high cost of labor in "western" countries and companies want big profits, traders take a big part of the cake.

 

[BackStop]

As long as there are people with more dollars than sense, the prices will stay high. And that doesn't necessarily mean they are getting a better airgun.

But they feel better because it costs more.

Reminds me of an encounter I had at the local fishing tackle shop many years ago.

True story.

I was friends with the proprietor and went there often even when I wasn't in need of fishing tackle.

One day, I walked into the shop and here was a guy talking to the owner and showing off his $3000 fly rod.

The fly rod wasn't an heirloom nor an old collectors item. It was a "custom" rod which he had recently purchased.

I listened to him touting how fantastic it was before I went out and got my home-made fly-rod that I made from a cane pole using masking tape and paper clips for guides and fly line I got at a thrift store which I had caught 1000s of Bream and a few Trout with... Cost me about $5 total.

Anyway, I took that home-made fly rod inside and asked the sap how many fish he had caught with his $3000 rod...

Well, to make a long story short, he left in a huff and the tackle shop owner and I had a good laugh.

All my best!

Kerry

 

[JDGriz]

Some unregulated air guns can be as easy to make as PBs - the AEA kind of layout where everything is attached to a receiver block in the middle, which also contains the trigger parts and the hammer and the probe.
But it's still a much smaller market and the running costs of all the sales people alone would add up very fast for low volumes.

(I have never owned or shot a PB; this take is partially theoretical in my case)

 

[Sawney Bean]

As long as there are people with more dollars than sense, the prices will stay high. And that doesn't necessarily mean they are getting a better airgun.

But they feel better because it costs more.

Reminds me of an encounter I had at the local fishing tackle shop many years ago.

True story.

I was friends with the proprietor and went there often even when I wasn't in need of fishing tackle.

One day, I walked into the shop and here was a guy talking to the owner and showing off his $3000 fly rod.

The fly rod wasn't an heirloom nor an old collectors item. It was a "custom" rod which he had recently purchased.

I listened to him touting how fantastic it was before I went out and got my home-made fly-rod that I made from a cane pole using masking tape and paper clips for guides and fly line I got at a thrift store which I had caught 1000s of Bream and a few Trout with... Cost me about $5 total.

Anyway, I took that home-made fly rod inside and asked the sap how many fish he had caught with his $3000 rod...

Well, to make a long story short, he left in a huff and the tackle shop owner and I had a good laugh.

All my best!

Kerry

If you think the new market is nuts, then just check out the vintage and collectible markets. There are 3 JW80s that I have seen advertised recently for $7500, (and one on the classifieds here for $5500). Now I am sure that Whiscombes are some damn fine shooting rifles and the stocks on all 4 of them are real things of beauty, but I'd also bet that a tuned Avenger would outperform a Whiscombe in nearly every way and I'd bet that Steve Corcoran or some other stock maker could make a similarly gorgeous stock for $1000 or so.

The Whiscombes are at least very high quality guns however. Double barrel Daisy's also go for crazy prices and they're really just cheap children's toys.

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

I hate.to.say it but pcp s are much more durable than crossbows. Ill take my Airsaber over any crossbow made in the accuracy and reliability department. I have thrown 3 crossbows in the trash...They don't last that long and parts not available. Even the new Ravins break, at a $3500.00 price point...

Not too mention when some asshat dry fires your Xbow or compound. Watched a buddy of mine pull his brand new bow out of the case, his BNL asked to see it. He handed it to him and was in the middle of saying "you do know how to..." as the moron pulled it back and let it go.

The whole cam system and string grenaded! Luckily my friend isn't his 20 year younger self, because he BNL would've been in the hospital and my buddy would've been in jail. Thankfully the BNL bought him ANOTHER new bow.

 

[Airgun Al]

When Daystate finally releases a airgun that ommits a strong odor of gunsmoke, only then will I put my powder burners back into the safe for good!
PBers and airguns both serve unique purposes in my opinion, and probably always will.

 

[357cal]

485 squat, deadlift 565, still ain't handpumping 500cc to 5000 psi!

That doesn't mean you're in shape to do high reps my friend, power lifting is about low reps' high weight, 470 squat,550 dead, and bench 400 in my powerlifting days at 181 class, since then I'm high rep med weight and I'm in much better shape now days and a lot less aches and pains,lol

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

That doesn't mean you're in shape to do high reps my friend, power lifting is about low reps' high weight, 470 squat,550 dead, and bench 400 in my powerlifting days at 181 class, since then I'm high rep med weight and I'm in much better shape now days and a lot less aches and pains,lol

This is true... I hate cardio! I usually don't rep much past 15 reps on accessory lifts.

 

[HogKiller]

If I run across the video again I'll post it for you.

Sure, It'll be interesting comparing to what we use to make.

 

[mercado]

Is like everything else.. does coach use a special cow hide than LV .. nop both bags will last exactly the same..But LV is the brand to have... same with pcp ..there will be a point that spending more does not necessarily get you a better pcp . But is the brand every one wants, because of publicity.. in my case here you can't shoot PB , if is not in a range.. but pcp no matter what you are shooting you could do it in private land.. ranges usually end at 200y..no reason for me for a PB..