I picked up a winchester 333 at a gun show today in nice condition. Has the sleeve, sights and great looking wood but it is weak. I know this has the giss system but i know nothing about working on them. Is this something i can tackle on my own or do i call an audible? thanks.
Diana Winchester 333/diana 65?
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well without knowing your smithing skills i would send it out and then reach into your pocket and find about 200 bucks for shipping and service work
and if sent out ask the smith if he needs the stock and if not keep it safe at home
and sign yourself up for Giss System school you have some studying to do
http://mirrorzeta.altervista.org/Esplosi/Diana_65_esploso.gif
i was going to show you Waffencenter Gotha's site but they are closed today for a country wide demonstration in Germany
you will love your new rifle but do not shoot it anymore only damage will occur
and if sent out ask the smith if he needs the stock and if not keep it safe at home
and sign yourself up for Giss System school you have some studying to do
http://mirrorzeta.altervista.org/Esplosi/Diana_65_esploso.gif
i was going to show you Waffencenter Gotha's site but they are closed today for a country wide demonstration in Germany
you will love your new rifle but do not shoot it anymore only damage will occur
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The internal portion of the stock presses against a small lever which enables trigger operation. If you remove the stock, you can't cock and fire the rifle, (safety mechanism), unless you have the dexterity to hold that little lever down, while pulling the trigger, which is a little dangerous!
One of my favs to reseal.
I always tell customers the same thing as Dave....."Leave the stock on, so I can safely test fire it after completion of work".
I loved my Diana model 60, but I sold all my heavy rifles.
Have fun!
One of my favs to reseal.
I always tell customers the same thing as Dave....."Leave the stock on, so I can safely test fire it after completion of work".
I loved my Diana model 60, but I sold all my heavy rifles.
Have fun!
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Thanks for all the information. I'm pretty handy with the traditional springer rebuilds but i'm sure this is anything but traditional. I just don't know that i can sink the kind of money in it to fix it but it is in such great shape i hate to leave it sit.
Not sure whether to just sell it as is , have it fixed or just part it out. I'm not a collector so even if i had it repaired it would be to sell it as a working outfit. I am going to give Mr. Slade a call and go from there i guess , again thanks for the info.
Not sure whether to just sell it as is , have it fixed or just part it out. I'm not a collector so even if i had it repaired it would be to sell it as a working outfit. I am going to give Mr. Slade a call and go from there i guess , again thanks for the info.
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I'm compelled to tell my David Slade story. I bought a 333 that couldn't make a pellet clear the barrel, so I sent it to him for refurb. I had removed the rear sight, but included it in the case. He returned it the same way; rear sight removed. I took it out of the case, attached the rear sight, set up a target at 10 meters and sent one downrange. The pellet hit dead center of the target! I was shocked. Loaded another and fired again. Same hole! Get it fixed; it's the most accurate break-barrel you'll ever own.
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of course if the stock is needed it goes with the action
my aim was to keep the stock safe, 60 series stock are hard to find
my aim was to keep the stock safe, 60 series stock are hard to find
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Marflow , that's one of my biggest issues is the shipping back and forth. I've had broken stock issues and lost in a different dimension problems before.
I was hoping that it was something i could tackle but there's really not much info out there on how to do it.
I was hoping that it was something i could tackle but there's really not much info out there on how to do it.
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there is parts of a Giss System rebuild
the first part is the disassembly of the gun so the guts can be removed, and i being a model 75 owner that can be a challenge and it is not the disassembly per say but the reassembly
and then you have to do the power plant
the Giss System rebuild is not hard but it is technical and whereas a springer you have a seal, 1 spring, and the R&R is straight forward
of course, tricks are needed in all of this but not to the level of the Giss gun
just getting the seals on is a pain but i wander
you can take the info for a model 75 and have what you need for any model 60 series rifle the guts are the same
it would be the trigger components that would be different and the 60 series rifles would have fewer to deal with
i have done many Diana model 6 pistols but i would never do a model 75
i did a FWB 90 with never doing one and i sweat bullets getting it done so many small pieces at the rear sledge to deal with
file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/Diana_Walther%2075-2.pdf
and there is the clean up in the tube the seal will have turned in to a soft crumbly epoxy, wax material and the piston has smashed it in the bottom of the tube and is your job to clean it all out, in your case you would take the barrel off and fine a cylinder and fill till the tube was completely surround by, i use rubbing alcohol and then you soak and scrape and soak and scrape i use a dowel with a slot cut in the center
and you clean and clean and when you think you have it clean do it again i always run a brass cup brush down the tube with a cable Dremel tool at the end and clean one last time i coat the tube with ULTIMOX 226 just a haze and now you can start the rebuild
so, you see i got off track but you also see it is a lot of work and the reason you do it slow and correctly is because you don't want to have to go back in and do it again, in once and out and finish
just some observation from an old man maybe something will be learned
the first part is the disassembly of the gun so the guts can be removed, and i being a model 75 owner that can be a challenge and it is not the disassembly per say but the reassembly
and then you have to do the power plant
the Giss System rebuild is not hard but it is technical and whereas a springer you have a seal, 1 spring, and the R&R is straight forward
of course, tricks are needed in all of this but not to the level of the Giss gun
just getting the seals on is a pain but i wander
you can take the info for a model 75 and have what you need for any model 60 series rifle the guts are the same
it would be the trigger components that would be different and the 60 series rifles would have fewer to deal with
i have done many Diana model 6 pistols but i would never do a model 75
i did a FWB 90 with never doing one and i sweat bullets getting it done so many small pieces at the rear sledge to deal with
file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/Diana_Walther%2075-2.pdf
and there is the clean up in the tube the seal will have turned in to a soft crumbly epoxy, wax material and the piston has smashed it in the bottom of the tube and is your job to clean it all out, in your case you would take the barrel off and fine a cylinder and fill till the tube was completely surround by, i use rubbing alcohol and then you soak and scrape and soak and scrape i use a dowel with a slot cut in the center
and you clean and clean and when you think you have it clean do it again i always run a brass cup brush down the tube with a cable Dremel tool at the end and clean one last time i coat the tube with ULTIMOX 226 just a haze and now you can start the rebuild
so, you see i got off track but you also see it is a lot of work and the reason you do it slow and correctly is because you don't want to have to go back in and do it again, in once and out and finish
just some observation from an old man maybe something will be learned
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this is just to show what parts are available
Waffencenter has as many parts as anyone but the downside is how you have to order them and the shipping out of Germany insured is very expensive
https://www.waffencenter-gotha.de/shop/DIANA:.:2.html?filter_id=274
Waffencenter has as many parts as anyone but the downside is how you have to order them and the shipping out of Germany insured is very expensive
https://www.waffencenter-gotha.de/shop/DIANA:.:2.html?filter_id=274
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Well, i am no photographer that's for sure. I guess i'm asking a lot from my flip phone.lol.
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it appears in great shape very nice stock and the butt pad is in good shape
many of the rifle have been stored on their butts and the ears of the pads flatten over time you have some of that but way better than most
Waffencenter does have these in black-grey but not cheap and i think at some point they said they were having them made but a part that i would have with the rifle but that is just me
overall a very nice 65
many of the rifle have been stored on their butts and the ears of the pads flatten over time you have some of that but way better than most
Waffencenter does have these in black-grey but not cheap and i think at some point they said they were having them made but a part that i would have with the rifle but that is just me
overall a very nice 65
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Quick question for the pros on the 333. What is the knurled end for on the barrel for? I'm assuming it's something to do with the barrel weight? Thanks 
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pay extra and put 1/4 inch plywood on both sides of packing ,if i had to ship that is what i would do . the gun when repaired is worth quite a bit . ($600 or 700 and possibly more , just going on what i paid for mine +repair's ) or a well packed (inside) , hard case in a box.
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