Wolverine B- Hi Lite .25

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Cliff_Allen

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Over the years I've bought and sold a few PCP's. 3 FX's, two Air Arms S-510's, a Hatsan AT44, a Marauder .25, a Cricket rifle, a BSA R-10, and maybe a couple of others I can't think of right now. I've never tried a Daystate because it always seemed hard to justify the price on a gun with no regulator, even if they are gorgeous and have the Harper sling valve in them. Also, really good reviews of the Wolverine seem to be a bit more sparse than some other popular guns. The only thing I can think of to attribute this to is the cost of entry? Just guessing there but regardless, I've lusted after them online for some time for their beauty and apparent craftsmanship. Daystate has always been a big itch in the back of my brain that I've wanted to scratch.

Well I happen to be in a position with AOA where I traded in an FX and have a pretty significant credit with them. Initially I was going to try to get an Impact. However, so many posts about initial problems with them, combined with the fact that AOA confirmed for me today that they're not going to be available until Aug/Sept., turned me away from them for now.

So today when AOA called, I up and ordered a .25 Wolverine B Hi-Lite. There seems to be a decent deal on on their website for them right now. Granted, it's full price for the gun, but they're throwing in a Hawke Airmax scope, rings, and a gun case. I needed a scope for this gun anyway so it saves me the time and money of needing to shop for one and conveniently I'm really interested to try an Airmax so it works out perfectly for me. It was only a few extra bucks to upgrade the 3-12 for a 6-24.

I'm especially pumped to finally get to compare the Daystate side by side with the FX Royale that I still have and hold in pretty high regard. In my mind anyway, these two brands seem to represent the "Ford vs Chevy" or the "Pepsi vs Coke". 

I'm really really hoping that I'll be super impressed with the Wolverine. It nags me a bit though, that we've seen both Ted and Matt Dubber purchase the Wolverine B and present them with enthusiasm, only to have them seemingly disappear afterwards. After regulating them, Matt seems to stick to his Air Arms, and Ted is clearly on the Impact kick with nary a mention of the Wolverine.

Regardless, someone once told me that "Happiness is just having something to look forward to". With both the Wolverine and the Airmax coming soon, I'm pretty friggin happy right now! haha

I'll report back with an update and some results after they get here! Maybe I'll try to do my first "unboxing" video! :)
 
Hey Nutcracker, what caliber did you order? Is there any reason in particular for the caliber you chose? I don't really hunt so I didn't need the extra power of the .25, but I do some longer distance target shooting and am convinced of the benefits of .25 over .22. I'd be interested to hear the results from your barrel swap. Was the stock barrel accurate? Daystate's stock barrel is a LW, correct?
 
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I bought it for hunting. I have several .22s and wanted an accurate .25. I bought a .25 Sumatra Carbine , last year and it was not as accurate as I was expecting, so sold it & bought the Wolverine. I think the factory barrel is LW. Here is a thread I started when I got mine.
http://airgunnation.dev/topic/daystate-wolverine-hi-lite-25-50-ft-lb/page/2/ Keep us posted, I will post some more info on mine when I change barrels.
 
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Well hope you get to like the Wolverines, here's what I didn't like when I got the SG .22 and sold it.

1. none regulated, so got used to regulated AG that I didn't want to learn the bell curve -- with the larger CF and the free floating hammer --- though it wasn't going to be that bad, but around 25-30 ES that's not good for long range shooting.

2. The cocking require more pull weight then then the Edgun.

3. The mag was slow to load-- I'm so used to none spring open loading type.

4. was to long and tall from scope rail to bottom of trigger guard.

something I hope you don't want to hear.



 
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"sniperlabyo"Well hope you get to like the Wolverines, here's what I didn't like when I got the SG .22 and sold it.

1. none regulated, so got used to regulated AG that I didn't want to learn the bell curve -- with the larger CF and the free floating hammer --- though it wasn't going to be that bad, but around 25-30 ES that's not good for long range shooting.

2. The cocking require more pull weight then then the Edgun.

3. The mag was slow to load-- I'm so used to none spring open loading type.

4. was to long and tall from scope rail to bottom of trigger guard.

something I hope you don't want to hear.



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Ernest, 

You pretty much nailed it on the head with the regulator part. I have a sneaking suspicion this is a shorter range hunting gun and not a longer range target gun. I've got an experiment I'm going to try though. I'm going to shoot a full string through the gun, start to finish at a 100 yard target and see what the shot pattern looks like. I'm guessing it will be a noticeable up and down pattern. 

Then I'm going to do the same thing with the Royale. Full string at 100 yards and see if there is a predictable difference in the pattern. I've also got a BSA R-10 and a Cricket rifle that are of course both regulated and I might throw them into the experiment also. I think it would be pretty interesting to see the real world difference in shooting capabilities of these 4 very different, highly regarded guns. 

I can't ever remember seeing any video's online of someone doing an experiment like this. Everyone always shows that one "magic" group of what their gun is capable of and you never get to see the entire string, especially out to longer distances. I think it might demonstrate that while you may be able to shoot a non regulated gun accurately at distance, you're likely going to want to know where you are in the shot string and figure that into the equation. I haven't done a ton of long range shooting, but I've done enough to know how hard it is without having to figure in different velocities in a string. 

 
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"sniperlabyo"Take a full shot string from 250b when you get it so you can map out the flattest ES, I remember with a lot of testing--- around 220 to 195b will get a good ES--think around 15fps over 30 shots.
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Thanks Ernest, good idea.

I think what I'll end up doing, if possible, is to shoot over the chrony while I'm shooting the actual target. That way there I may be able to map out where on the target I'm hitting in relation to where in the shot string the gun is shooting. I'm open to ideas to improve the experiment if anyone has any ideas.
 
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hope it works out well Cliff im sure you'll like it, I have a R10 and iv had B-Hi Light on loan at one point and I must say it kicked my R10's ass it was very consistent the Harper valve got a big thumbs up from me so if you like how your R10 shoots then I know ull love the Wolverine and if all els fails daystate's hold their value you'll get your money back but im sure it wont come to that. Again good look and we all look forward to your first unboxing vid ;)
 
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"ozone08"hope it works out well Cliff im sure you'll like it, I have a R10 and iv had B-Hi Light on loan at one point and I must say it kicked my R10's ass it was very consistent the Harper valve got a big thumbs up from me so if you like how your R10 shoots then I know ull love the Wolverine and if all els fails daystate's hold their value you'll get your money back but im sure it wont come to that. Again good look and we all look forward to your first unboxing vid ;)
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Well that's pretty encouraging to hear! My BSA R-10 shoots lights out if I do my part. If the Wolverine kicks my R10's ass I'll be a pretty happy camper indeed! The only thing that might work against me is that I ordered the .25 so the bell curve in the shot string might be more pronounced over a shorter string of shots. We'll see though, I hope the Wolverine smokes my R-10!
 
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I really like mine, it might not have the ES you need, or not. However that is no issue @ all for me, as when target shooting and testing I do some tethered. Then when in the woods I may only shoot a mag full (10 shots) while hunting, so the ES is almost nil. It is a majestic rifle. I did not like the big ugly thing on the end so I put a marauder type shroud on it. As to the trigger being so much lower than the scope rail, that is no issue to me. What problem does that cause? It does cock a lil hard and after using the FX airguns, that is very noticeable, but it is a different animal. I love oysters & I love steak, but do not want either for dinner every night. I have always liked the company of women, just like in my rifles I like some "variety" . If I could only own one gun, this rifle might not be it, but thankfully I can own many. I think I call it the gun for the Mature Shooter, just my opinion, not trying to be contrary.
 
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"Nutcracker"I really like mine, it might not have the ES you need, or not. However that is no issue @ all for me, as when target shooting and testing I do some tethered. Then when in the woods I may only shoot a mag full (10 shots) while hunting, so the ES is almost nil. It is a majestic rifle. I did not like the big ugly thing on the end so I put a marauder type shroud on it. As to the trigger being so much lower than the scope rail, that is no issue to me. What problem does that cause? It does cock a lil hard and after using the FX airguns, that is very noticeable, but it is a different animal. I love oysters & I love steak, but do not want either for dinner every night. I have always liked the company of women, just like in my rifles I like some "variety" . If I could only own one gun, this rifle might not be it, but thankfully I can own many. I think I call it the gun for the Mature Shooter, just my opinion, not trying to be contrary.
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Eloquently said! Candid opinions always appreciated! I do admit, I wish I was more of a hunter. It would be great to be able to go out and use these awesome pieces of equipment for their intended purpose. Target shooting for accuracy and consistency is as far as I get and I enjoy that immensely. I think I'd enjoy the hunting part, but I wish I had more knowledge/interest in cleaning/dressing and preparing the quarry so as not to be hunting just for the sake of stalking and killing with no purpose. Either that or some kind of pest removal where the animal's truly need to be eradicated. After seeing so many bad things online about how horrible Starlings are I'd likely not lose much sleep over giving one a dirt nap for no other purpose than to protect the local song bird population from their vicious attacks. 

I was curious about how hard it was going to be to cock the gun. I tried to pay attention to the video review that AOA did and when Jared had the gun on the bench he made it seem near effortless to cock the gun. You're the second person in this thread to express that it is a not so easy gun to cock. This may be a bit of a let down for me since I've become so used to the extreme ease of cocking the butter smooth side lever on the Royale. 

You're also the second person to express discontent over the "height" of the gun. I'm not sure what discomfort would come from the trigger being so much lower than the scope rail, but it looks like I'm going to find out. I've never heard anyone mention this before and I've never experienced it to a point of discontent in any of the guns I've owned before this.

 
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I always liked the look of the wolverine and i kept wishing they would come out with one in .25. Well they finally did and I thought awesome maybe I will get one. Well after a couple of calls to AOA and Precision air rifles I came to the conclusion I didn't want one. The reason why was because I figured out that any of the wolverines above 30 ftlbs DOESN'THAVE THE SLING SHOT VALVE. This is what I was told by both of the company's so with the 2000 dollar price tag no reg and no sling shot valve I opted out. Now I would probably still consider this gun in 30ftlbs .22 call but any thing higher im out. Just thought I would let people know this instead of them figuring out the hard way like I almost did. Any way good luck with your gun hope it works out nicely.
 
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"KYAirgunner"I always liked the look of the wolverine and i kept wishing they would come out with one in .25. Well they finally did and I thought awesome maybe I will get one. Well after a couple of calls to AOA and Precision air rifles I came to the conclusion I didn't want one. The reason why was because I figured out that any of the wolverines above 30 ftlbs DOESN'THAVE THE SLING SHOT VALVE. This is what I was told by both of the company's so with the 2000 dollar price tag no reg and no sling shot valve I opted out. Now I would probably still consider this gun in 30ftlbs .22 call but any thing higher im out. Just thought I would let people know this instead of them figuring out the hard way like I almost did. Any way good luck with your gun hope it works out nicely.
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Hmmmm well that's a disturbing thought. Nowhere on AOA's site or Daystate's site does it say the .25 is excluded from having the Harper valve. Fortunately the gun isn't shipping until Friday so I've sent them an email to confirm whether or not it has the valve. If not I may be switching calibers. I'll report back after hearing from them.

Is there anyone else that can confirm this one way or the other?

Thank you for the heads up KY!
 
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I just copied this off AOA's site on the Wolverine 303 description page. Looks like the fact that it may be excluded has nothing to do with ft/lbs of energy. I'd still like confirmation on the .25 though. I can't see why it wouldn't be included. I'd think all that should be different is the barrel.

Daystate starts with a new mono-block breech design of titanium reinforced alloy to handle the extra stresses and pressures. The breech block is an engineering piece of art that would find itself at home in a fine jewelry case at the mall. A new activator system that uses a small amount of spent air to trip the rotation of the magazine prevents the double loading of a pellet along with an open bolt safety feature that live fire users have come to know in firearms. The Wolverine magazine holds five 303 caliber lead pellets of over 50 grains each: three times the amount of lead as the average .22 cal pellet! Air is the fuel for all airguns and it is at a premium in extremely high power models. The Daystate Wolverine's air supply comes from a custom made cylinder of 300cc with a beautiful non-glare, mark-resistant finish that will last a lifetime. The amount of air on tap combined with the Harper valving system gives an advertised 12-15 shots per fill at a amazing 100 ft lbs of energy in .303 (60 ft/lbs in .22). Enough power for

 
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Well now I'm just confused. I'm finding conflicting info all over the place about the Harper sling in the higher powered guns. The description from AOA and other's sites clearly state the 303 has the Harper Sling valve, but other places are saying only the guns up to 40 fpe have them. Guess I'll have to wait to talk to AOA and get it straight from the horses mouth. Would love to hear from any of you that have the .25 Wolverine and could shed some light on the matter. 
 
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