Would you switch from MOA to Mil if you really wanted a scope?

[JimD]

I do not attempt to dial the scope to deal with drop at longer range unless I am target shooting. Even when target shooting I typically just guess the number of clicks I need to make and shoot again to check. So it doesn't really matter much to me MIL versus MOA. But if both are available I choose MOA. It's easier to figure out the clicks if I bother to measure how far off I am.

 

[OldSpook]

Pretty funny, the OP thinks MIL is metric.

Perhaps he thinks in meters? MOST of the world does, and for a whole lot of good reasons. Your grandkids will too if you ever find a woman who will have you... Now play nice.

 

[silvershooter589]

Perhaps he thinks in meters? MOST of the world does, and for a whole lot of good reasons. Your grandkids will too if you ever find a woman who will have you... Now play nice.

Do you think the American Empire will adopt that as the standard? Perhaps in some regions!

 

[Airgunmann]

I switched just to have scopes have mil turrets and mil reticle ffp that way I can use hold over or dialing I use a mtc range finder with phone app and tells me hold over or what to dial and works out better instead of moa turrets with mil reticles like some scopes are

 

[jwrabbit123]

It is all same MOA or Mil, years ago the SWFA scope was a Military in 1993 to US Navy . The scope with a mildot reticle and Moa turrets , so you had yo hold in mils and if you dialed it was moa , to me it is just a Angular measurement and neither one is more accurate , but I read someone say moa is finer adjustments , but in real world of ultra long range beileve it or not the turrets are fine being 1/2 moa or 1/4 mil as it is alot easier to work with shooting ultra long ranges coourse is fine , but using your scope for yards or meters is a choice of metric or std , it is best to have matched turrets to reticle so much less confusion and to keep simple , if under stress and time is critical no one has time to caculate a mismatched optic and even worse a SFP which is not at true value , I happened to be trained on both MOA and MILS , and BTW I use yards not meters as I always measure in yards and feet , but for me I prefer the Mildot for a reticle for holding and to dail extreme ranges its equal but I prefer MIls and FFP also ,
LOU

 

[BackStop]

When not clicking for range and only using/estimating holdover... as Bill Murray said in some movie... "It just doesn't matter..."... (chuckle)

Actually, I think it has been proven by folks better than me that it really doesn't matter except for personal preference. (smile)

 

[Geezerhood]

I have used both for many years and given the option, I would pick MOA over Mils.

I find it easier to quickly calculate adjustments when working in MOA.

I always prefer finer clicks, over larger movement, so with most models that offer both, I go with MOA because the movement is smaller per click. I find 1/10 mil clicks way too coarse, preferring 1/8 MOA but have to settle for 1/4 MOA sometimes which is till better than 1/10 Mil. I find the .05 Mil Clicks on one of my 10-50x60 Sightron's kind of bizarre, but I guess I could get comfortable with them eventually, though I haven't yet and it has been over 10 years.

I have several PB guns that shoot sub 1/4 MOA that cannot be precisely zeroed at the distances I want with a 1/10 mil or a 1/4 MOA click. This so far has not been a problem with airguns, but I don't shoot much past 50 yards right now.

 

[BackStop]

I always prefer finer clicks, over larger movement, so with most models I go with MOA because the movement is smaller per click. I find 1/10 mil clicks way too coarse, preferring 1/8 MOA but have to settle for 1/4 MOA sometimes. I find the .05 Mil Clicks on one of my 10-50x60 Sightron's kind of bizarre, but I guess I could get used to them eventually.

I agree with the finer clicks, but all in all it is a wash as far as my own experience. I have used both and haven't found one to really be *better* than the other for the most part.

Still... I do prefer MOA. Just a personal preference. (smile)

 

[KevinWood44]

Pretty funny, the OP thinks MIL is metric.

I am very aware of the difference. I understand that they are both just angles of measurement. But 1" (1.05") at 100 yards is simply easier for me than 1 mil being .36" - or 1 mil being 10cm at 100m

Again, I doubt it would that difficult once making the adjustment but I was looking for advice from those who made the switch....rather than snarky reply from you. But thanks for your contribution.

 

[Racenviper]

Perhaps he thinks in meters? MOST of the world does, and for a whole lot of good reasons. Your grandkids will too if you ever find a woman who will have you... Now play nice.

Actually it is arclenght, nothing to do with the metric system.

 

[OldSpook]

Actually it is arclenght, nothing to do with the metric system.

Do tell?

Surely you are not naive enough to believe, on a forum of shooters most of whom have been shooting for over half a century, that you are the only person who understands these things?

Why don't you start trying to make your posts helpful rather than using them as a cudgel to prove your "superior" knowledge?

If you try that you'll probably find out that most of the people here, other than perhaps me, are pretty nice fellows who are very knowledgeable and almost always willing to help.

Who knows? You might even make some friends.

 

[ctshooter]

In all honesty - no I would not. I switched to MIL/MIL as it is just easier for my brain and I prefer the consistency across scopes. I am also all in on FFP scope too, if that matters.

 

[rcs9250]

Yes, you are correct it is easier to use 18.288mm for 1/5 of a mil or 9.144mm for 1/10 of a mil at 100 yards.

 

[peaceful_ruler]

My understanding is that MOA and MIL are both angular measurements. Essentially slices of a circle...One milradian is 1/1,000 of a circle and one Minute of Angle is 1/21,600 of a circle. In my small mind, because the metric system and the milradian are both base 10 systems it's simply a matter of moving a decimal point around in calculations. It doesn't get any easier than that. One mil is 1 meter at 1,000 meters. One mil is 1 cm at 10 meters. How cool is that!! Oh, yes...and at 37.3 meters one MIL is 3.73 cm. 1/1,000 is all you need to know. This is the reason that I switched to MIL's from MOA and have never looked back.

 

[18.13]

mil/mil ffp here. No numerical system if I hit .3 low then pick it up .3. I have no idea if .3 was a 1/2 inch or 4 centimeters

 

[SimpleGuy]

So much easier to dial your drop in using mils

 

[2L8]

I use Sterlok so it's not like I do much calculation but as an American my brain works in yards/inch not meters/centimeters.

Have any of you switched? Was it a hard transition?

Kevin, To answer your questions.
Yes, I switched.
Yes, it is/was hard.
I traded all my MOA scopes (back 4yrs ago) to MIL and am just getting to understanding my measurements and clicks.
It takes time my friend. Just hang in there. No magic, just time and understanding. Strelok will help you along.

Patrick

 

[Harv24]

I switched to Mil/Mil a few years ago. No regrets.

Much easier.

 

[Centercut]

To me it doesn't matter. They're both units of measure. Half my scopes are Mil, half are MOA. My 100Y target scope is MOA with 1/8 MOA clicks, other than that they are all either 1/10 MIL or 1/4 MOA per click. Also, some of mine are FFP, some of mine are SFP. I'm a clicker, so I actually prefer SFP, but FFP doesn't bother me.

 

[Smok3y]

I use MIL and MOA. I would say that it depends on how you use it.

I do like finer clicks on MOA scopes at 1/8 for precision shooting, but I dislike counting clicks for MOA when they are in multiples of 4 or 8 and the individual clicks between are actually different than the math equivalent. (Risks more mistakes). If your turret is labeled for your distanced though, it wouldn’t matter what you use.

And it depends on how you are deciding how to click. Let’s assume I’m using Strelok or something…

To hopefully make sense of that. If I have to click up 34 clicks, MIL is slightly easier with 10 clicks per, so it is just go from 0-3 and 4 more clicks. With MOA, you have to do math… 8 clicks per, so I have to go 0-4 and then 2 more clicks. Not huge, but risks a math error.

Or worse, need 3.4 MOA… you have to do math to figure out what .4 MOA is. If 3.4 MIL, you know it is 3 MIL plus 4 clicks. Again no misread, miscalc, or misthinking.