I looked at post #11 earlier and thought how long are you going to ignore the answer. The more windage than elevation was a dead giveaway. Dang zero stops. Easy to forget about them when the new toy arrives.
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Zeroing an M4
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I actually had no idea what a zero stop is or that the Element scopes had them until the video was posted. Yep, I'm that guy, I get a scope, I mount it and shoot! Who needs direction or a manual, you used one scope you've used them all! Or NOT! I know now though...
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Didn't even enter my mind. Wasn't aware the lower Element lines had Zero stops so didn't go there. Hey easy fix and now you know you have a Zero stop lol
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Is it a 6-24 helix ?? I can’t explain why but I have heard of this happening for some reason with the 6-24 helix. The other times were elevation also. The scope only zeroed with rings that could be tilted. I’m pretty sure one of the examples was from James on the stko YouTube channel. If you search that channel and helix scope you will find a whole video about this problem. I believe his explanation and element optics response to the problem are on the video as well.
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Yes, that is the exact same scope I have. Interesting videos, I'm surprised Element Optics replaced it and didn't just have him remove the zero stop from the elevation turret. Matt Dubber's video about the zero stop was posted 4 years ago, James' review video was posted 2 years ago, so they knew it was an issue two years prior to James' review.
Also, my issue was just the opposite of his, my POI was way above POA and my Helix bottomed out before reaching POA. I had to raise the front ring to get POI at POA. But, then I saw Matt Dubbers video and removed the zero stop. I now have no problem zeroing the scope at 35 yards. I feel his problem and others who have experienced this problem could have fixed it by removing the zero stop, or adjusting it to allow zero. I feel the zero stop was probably installed incorrectly from the factory, or as was pointed out in the video, the zero stop was adjusted at the factory for a powder burner, not an air gun. This, since Element Optics is affiliated with FX Airguns, is probably a marketing nightmare for them!
I have not heard back from Element Optics, so I have no idea what they are going to suggest, but if they don't suggest removing or readjusting the zero stop, I'm going to let them know they really need to adjust it differently from the factory, or leave it out on the Helix models.
Also, my issue was just the opposite of his, my POI was way above POA and my Helix bottomed out before reaching POA. I had to raise the front ring to get POI at POA. But, then I saw Matt Dubbers video and removed the zero stop. I now have no problem zeroing the scope at 35 yards. I feel his problem and others who have experienced this problem could have fixed it by removing the zero stop, or adjusting it to allow zero. I feel the zero stop was probably installed incorrectly from the factory, or as was pointed out in the video, the zero stop was adjusted at the factory for a powder burner, not an air gun. This, since Element Optics is affiliated with FX Airguns, is probably a marketing nightmare for them!
I have not heard back from Element Optics, so I have no idea what they are going to suggest, but if they don't suggest removing or readjusting the zero stop, I'm going to let them know they really need to adjust it differently from the factory, or leave it out on the Helix models.
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The M4 and the scope should both work perfectly. If the scope is not at its optical center or very close to it then something is off. I always wondered why my Helix would go side to side a litle bit when I adjusted the elevation up or down. Never just straight down or straight up. I wonder if my Windage/Elevation is tilted to one side.
I hope this works out...yeah, try a different scope. I do know my second M4 did not need anything special to hit at 35 yards. My rings were flat and I had a Helix.
I hope this works out...yeah, try a different scope. I do know my second M4 did not need anything special to hit at 35 yards. My rings were flat and I had a Helix.
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I tried 2 other scopes and they were both fine. After removing the Zero Stop (that I believe was not adjusted correctly from the factory) I got the fully range of elevation and subsequently was able to zero it. When going through this whole exercise, it did track fairly straight as I was adjusting the elevation up and down. I think the only issue with my scope was the Zero Stop not being set for airgun use from the factory.
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Paul, zero stops are for the user to set after you have set up your POI for your gun, it lets you increase elevation but has a hard stop at your set POI and will not let the elevation turret move any further DOWN, makes it so you can dial back down without looking, hits a MECHANICAL ZERO STOP 
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Thank you Randall! Now I know!Paul, zero stops are for the user to set after you have set up your POI for your gun, it lets you increase elevation but has a hard stop at your set POI and will not let the elevation turret move any further DOWN, makes it so you can dial back down without looking, hits a MECHANICAL ZERO STOP
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Here are my setting for the .22 700mm for 3 Pellets
15.89gr
Reg 90 bar
Micro Wheel 2.0 (about)
Valve Adjust Line 4
18.1gr
Reg 90 bar
Micro Wheel 2.5
Valve Adjust Line 4
25.4gr
Reg 90 bar
Micro Wheel 3.5
Valve Adjust Line 4
From there you could reduce your Valve from 4 to 3.5 and find the point where it changes the velocity. That's the sweet spot on your valve. You can click your Micro roller up and down to fine tune your velocity. I would recommend starting with the Macro on 8, (7 is better), and then 2.5 on the Micro (18.1gr tune) ...4 Macro clickls down for 15.89gr (2.0 Micro) and 9 clicks up for the 25.4gr (3.5 Micro)
Video here:
15.89gr
Reg 90 bar
Micro Wheel 2.0 (about)
Valve Adjust Line 4
18.1gr
Reg 90 bar
Micro Wheel 2.5
Valve Adjust Line 4
25.4gr
Reg 90 bar
Micro Wheel 3.5
Valve Adjust Line 4
From there you could reduce your Valve from 4 to 3.5 and find the point where it changes the velocity. That's the sweet spot on your valve. You can click your Micro roller up and down to fine tune your velocity. I would recommend starting with the Macro on 8, (7 is better), and then 2.5 on the Micro (18.1gr tune) ...4 Macro clickls down for 15.89gr (2.0 Micro) and 9 clicks up for the 25.4gr (3.5 Micro)
Video here:
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