Dreamline Classic .177 vs DreamPup .22 @ 25 and 50 yards

Hello AirgunNation Peoples,

After tunes, mods, and accessories on my Dreamline pair, today was the day to compare groups at 25 and 50 yards. The Dreamline Classic is in .177 (500mm STX barrel) and the Dreamline Bullpup in .22 caliber(600mm STX Slug liner “A”).

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Each are sporting Hawke brand scopes, but of different guises. The .177 Classic has the Hawke Frontier 4-20x44 1” SF 20x Mil-Pro, and the Pup has the Hawke Sidewinder FFP 4-16x50 30mm.

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The biggest reason for this side-by-side comparison is to view for myself and showcase accuracy of both guns with the new rock solid double barrel band set up recently installed.

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Both are custom Dreamline specific barrel bands made and offered by innovative fellow airgunners on eBay. Both great products!

Links:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F293305726975

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F143404897209

One is actually made of black anodized billet aluminum, and the other is a robust 3d printed style with triple piccatinny mounts. Alone or combined they lock these Dreamline STX barrels down. Zero movement, and the barrels are as ridged as a mounted scope!


Groups today will be shot with each Dreamline’s favorite JSB Diabolo pellet. 


Classic .177 = 10.34 grain

Bullpup .22 = 18.13 grain

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Shot strings for both air guns... (groups will be shot at these power levels)

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Here is a idea of the weather and wind conditions while shooting the groups.

(I’m the blue dot 🔵)

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Now, three 10 shot 25 yard groups(30 total shots). Right to left wind. No holding for wind, just aiming for center bullseye.

Freshly hung target. (notice my squirrel 🐿 feeder... can you spot the dove decoys, and gong targets hung all over the place? Lol)

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Started to rain pulled the target went back indoors.

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Rain was not stopping, what the hell... Set up the target at 50 yards. Also topped off both guns air cylinders and reloaded mags.

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Three 10 shot 50 yard groups (30 total shots). Right to left wind. No holding for wind, just aiming for center bullseye.

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Back indoors to analyze groups.

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(Left column) The DreamPup .22 did what it always does, if I was holding for wind like I normally would, the red in the bullseye would be gone.

(Right column) With the Dreamline Classic .177 I can truly say I’m satisfied. The top 10 shot group at 50 yards took place right when the wind and rain picked up. For a .177 at 50 yards that’s not horrible. The middle 50 yard group was going great until that errant flyer, honestly I believe that was a bad pellet feed. Finally, the lowest 10 shot group at 50 yards is more like she normally puts out, excellent imo for a .177!

Thanks for your time folks!

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JoeKool
 
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Nice test with allot of info. Just one question: To me it seems both guns shoot with velocity`s on what usually might be considered to fast for pellets. Did you choose that hot tune because you felt it was the most accurate one, or did you choose it for the power?

Anyway, looks like you have tuned them well, especially considering it is 10 shots groups. Nice shooting, not many flyers there:)
 
That .177 cal held its own, huh?

I love your range. I could sit there a target-shoot all day.

Yes, it’s an amazing little rifle.
Thanks, l do sit here and shoot all day!



Nice test with allot of info. Just one question: To me it seems both guns shoot with velocity`s on what usually might be considered to fast for pellets. Did you choose that hot tune because you felt it was the most accurate one, or did you choose it for the power?

Anyway, looks like you have tuned them well, especially considering it is 10 shots groups. Nice shooting, not many flyers there:)

Great question! Well, I have been field testing, hunting, and tuning my own air guns for some years now. I know the common belief that around 880 is the optimum speed for diabolo pellets. But, with the ridiculous amount of shooting I have done over the years and especially with FX smooth twist X barrels and heavier pellets. Pellet stability and accuracy are just fine in the low, mid, and upper 900’s. Trajectory is much flatter also. I own five FX airguns .177 up to .25 caliber and all are tuned to shoot in the mid 900’s. All with excellent accuracy out to 100 yards and at what’s considered hot velocities. I do hunting and pest control with my airguns and just prefer the extra fpe. I’ve proven out to myself that I can get on just as well shooting at velocities that are considered “hot” (mid-900’s). I keep things under 1000 fps though, that’s when I’ve seen pellets really go wild and lose stability. Great thing about FX airguns and many other brands, is that the powers can be turned down fairly easily when needed.
 
Very nice presentation of the two different calibers 👍

I really like it with all your pictures to document your shooting and your results 😃

Nice to see that the .177 is holding its own - I am restricted to .177 here in Denmark and I know that the smaller caliber performs very well even out to 100 yards. Groups around 1 to 1½ inch is not uncommon 😃
 
Very nice presentation of the two different calibers 
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I really like it with all your pictures to document your shooting and your results 
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Nice to see that the .177 is holding its own - I am restricted to .177 here in Denmark and I know that the smaller caliber performs very well even out to 100 yards. Groups around 1 to 1½ inch is not uncommon 
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Glad you like the post! 👍🏽 Finding myself enjoying the heck out of this Dreamline Classic in .177! @ 20 fpe it takes care of all backyard pests(headshots), it’s such a smooth and gentle / quiet 🤫 shooter. Compared to my larger caliber airguns. Yes, 100 yard groups would surprise you with this gun and JSB 10.34’s! I frequently shoot 1/2 to 1 1/2 inch groups with the Classic .177. Just, figure in wind direction and hold and it groups as well as any. For hunts I keep it within 55 yards in most situations staying ethical.

Happy shooting 
 
Both your guns look awesome. I also appreciate your thorough documentation, thanks for posting. How do you like that Hawke Sidewinder on the Pup?

The Hawke Sidewinder FFP series are very good airgun scopes. The reticle is just killer!

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One “bad mofo” in my opinion, but I may like the 20x MilPro reticle of the Hawke Frontier 4-20x44 even better!

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Joe, great write up as usual! Very nice side by side between two great FX rifles with different calibers! Those barrel bands sure work to remove any movement and probably any differing harmonics! Your Classic in .177 is a tack driver in those conditions. Very nice shooting! Enjoy seeing all the data you include, really helps with tuning with same projectiles.
 
Joe, great write up as usual! Very nice side by side between two great FX rifles with different calibers! Those barrel bands sure work to remove any movement and probably any differing harmonics! Your Classic in .177 is a tack driver in those conditions. Very nice shooting! Enjoy seeing all the data you include, really helps with tuning with same projectiles.


Much Appreciated Ranchibi!


These barrel bands serve many functions. Not only do they eliminate POI shift and greatly improve shot group consistency. They also dub as rests when shooting in various hunting or pest situations, and greatly improve the solid durable feel in the overall handling of these airguns. I can bump them around a bit now with no worry of the zero being off. You know? Take the kid gloves off and use them like a gun. With the triple pic-rails I could attach more toys too! 

JSB Exact Heavy 10.34g or Air Aims 10.34g are my favorite .177 pellets, they are the 18.13’s of the .177 caliber imo. They hit very hard! My .177 DL Classic loves them.



Nice seeing them go toe to toe! Another great post Joe.

Thanks for the hard work!

Both serve me well, as target and hunting platforms. Lol, kind of like a kids storybook with pictures! Remember those? Haha!!
 
Sorry, I know its a lot of work on your part Joe but it may prove beneficial to see if you can tell any bias that the bands may have in accuracy. I am pretty sure you will have to re-zero too after removing the bands because I did when I tried the same experiment.

Even before trying what you suggest. I can tell you that the POI is going to shift a half inch in any direction randomly. Accurate but shifty, that issue is gone now with the bands.