New Daystate magazine loading

If the catch mechanism is gone then yes it appears, contrary to what I was told, that the redesign was to correct the original design flaw. But Daystate will never admit that it's more than a "cosmetic issue", as owners like me will expect them to exchange the old faulty magazines for new ones cost free. But I won't hold my breath waiting for Daystate to man up and do the right thing.

Just saw AoA’s tutorial on the new magazine. It is still tensioned and requires the first pellet to hold things in place. 

https://youtu.be/KdefP23mn7E

Great, but can we buy them yet?

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I posted a response to this thread less than 5 minutes ago, and now it's gone. Can someone please tell me why?

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Possibly posted while I edited it. My best guess. 

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Essentially I was saying that I don't think I should have spend another $200+ to get magazines that function properly and that don't damage the guns if I use them. Daystate has refused to admit to any problem beyond a "it's just cosmetic issue", as doing so would obligate them to provide replacements of the faulty magazines at no-cost. I'd like to see Daystate man-up and do the right thing for current affected owners, but in light of prior interactions with them regarding the issue, I won't hold my breath nor will Daystate get another cent of my money.

I wonder...Will Daystate ship new guns with the old or the new magazine?

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

Hawkeye, 

Glad you posted this as I kind of agree. 

The old magazines were truly over priced anyway at $99 per, and assume the new ones will be priced the same. Also, my shooting buddy and myself both have Regals ( he sold his ) in .22 with Huma regulators and we both have had issues with our magazines from time to time. Would you mind sending a line or two to describe your specific magazine issue just so I might be able to relate? in my case, and for whatever reason, the last pellet in the mag does not cycle so I can't use all of the pellets in the magazine. Also, I know the alloy pellets were very problematic for me, so I don't use anything but lead from now on. I have heard ( not confirmed ) that they will be shipping new magazines in new guns, and that they are backwards compatible for existing or older guns. In fact, I thought Tony indicated that in a recent video. 

Also, have you contacted Tony directly from Daystate? If so, what did he say about them fixing the issue? If you prefer to PM me or not answer, I totally understand. It is frustrating. 

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

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I've owned 4 calibers of Daystate rifles from .177 cal. to .30 cal. and on each rifle the pellet probe developed nicks that gradually increase with use. From reading about other Daystate owners I came to the conclusion that the magazine actuator design causes this problem by striking the pellet probe. 

I also had a sudden problem with loss of accuracy with my .22 caliber Daystate Wolverine Hi lite. Apparently, the damaged pellet probe gradually ate-away at the breech O-ring. When I described this loss of accuracy to the technician over the phone, he immediately diagnosed the problem -- "probably an O ring" -- without telling me about this common problem with these rifles.Then, he charged me for shipping the rifle to them for repair, as if the problem with a practically new rifle was my fault.

As with "Hawkeye69" above, I will not purchase another Daystate rifle. Nor will I patronize the vendor who sold me the rifle.

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

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I've owned 4 calibers of Daystate rifles from .177 cal. to .30 cal. and on each rifle the pellet probe developed nicks that gradually increase with use. From reading about other Daystate owners I came to the conclusion that the magazine actuator design causes this problem by striking the pellet probe. 

I also had a sudden problem with loss of accuracy with my .22 caliber Daystate Wolverine Hi lite. Apparently, the damaged pellet probe gradually ate-away at the breech O-ring. When I described this loss of accuracy to the technician over the phone, he immediately diagnosed the problem -- "probably an O ring" -- without telling me about this common problem with these rifles.Then, he charged me for shipping the rifle to them for repair, as if the problem with a practically new rifle was my fault.

As with "Hawkeye69" above, I will not purchase another Daystate rifle. Nor will I patronize the vendor who sold me the rifle.

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I Cant see how a damaged pellet probe with a nick in it at the side of the probe behind the breach seal can damage a breach Oring that sits infront of it? the little nick out the side of the pellet probe dosnt touch the breach Oring. or do you mean the magazine Oring?

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

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I've owned 4 calibers of Daystate rifles from .177 cal. to .30 cal. and on each rifle the pellet probe developed nicks that gradually increase with use. From reading about other Daystate owners I came to the conclusion that the magazine actuator design causes this problem by striking the pellet probe. 

I also had a sudden problem with loss of accuracy with my .22 caliber Daystate Wolverine Hi lite. Apparently, the damaged pellet probe gradually ate-away at the breech O-ring. When I described this loss of accuracy to the technician over the phone, he immediately diagnosed the problem -- "probably an O ring" -- without telling me about this common problem with these rifles.Then, he charged me for shipping the rifle to them for repair, as if the problem with a practically new rifle was my fault.

As with "Hawkeye69" above, I will not purchase another Daystate rifle. Nor will I patronize the vendor who sold me the rifle.

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I Cant see how a damaged pellet probe with a nick in it at the side of the probe behind the breach seal can damage a breach Oring that sits infront of it? the little nick out the side of the pellet probe dosnt touch the breach Oring. or do you mean the magazine Oring?

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Correction:

The barrel O ring.

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AOA has them , in 30 cal received a couple last week . Not sure about the other calibers as I single load the 25 .

Yes, AoA says that they are available and are working on uploading them to the website. 

Well you cant buy them in the uk yet< come on daystate there are UK customers too 

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

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I've owned 4 calibers of Daystate rifles from .177 cal. to .30 cal. and on each rifle the pellet probe developed nicks that gradually increase with use. From reading about other Daystate owners I came to the conclusion that the magazine actuator design causes this problem by striking the pellet probe. 

I also had a sudden problem with loss of accuracy with my .22 caliber Daystate Wolverine Hi lite. Apparently, the damaged pellet probe gradually ate-away at the breech O-ring. When I described this loss of accuracy to the technician over the phone, he immediately diagnosed the problem -- "probably an O ring" -- without telling me about this common problem with these rifles.Then, he charged me for shipping the rifle to them for repair, as if the problem with a practically new rifle was my fault.

As with "Hawkeye69" above, I will not purchase another Daystate rifle. Nor will I patronize the vendor who sold me the rifle.

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I Cant see how a damaged pellet probe with a nick in it at the side of the probe behind the breach seal can damage a breach Oring that sits infront of it? the little nick out the side of the pellet probe dosnt touch the breach Oring. or do you mean the magazine Oring?

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Maybe a picture of the "little nick" on my Renegade will explain it. I had to replace the breech seal 8 times in about the first 3 months of ownership. After the probe was replaced I stopped using the magazine, haven't had to replace a seal in over year.

Hawkeye, 

Glad you posted this as I kind of agree. 

The old magazines were truly over priced anyway at $99 per, and assume the new ones will be priced the same. Also, my shooting buddy and myself both have Regals ( he sold his ) in .22 with Huma regulators and we both have had issues with our magazines from time to time. Would you mind sending a line or two to describe your specific magazine issue just so I might be able to relate? in my case, and for whatever reason, the last pellet in the mag does not cycle so I can't use all of the pellets in the magazine. Also, I know the alloy pellets were very problematic for me, so I don't use anything but lead from now on. I have heard ( not confirmed ) that they will be shipping new magazines in new guns, and that they are backwards compatible for existing or older guns. In fact, I thought Tony indicated that in a recent video. 

Also, have you contacted Tony directly from Daystate? If so, what did he say about them fixing the issue? If you prefer to PM me or not answer, I totally understand. It is frustrating. 

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I contacted Daystate and was told to talk to AOA. This was the response. BTW my Renegade is not a high power model.

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

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I've owned 4 calibers of Daystate rifles from .177 cal. to .30 cal. and on each rifle the pellet probe developed nicks that gradually increase with use. From reading about other Daystate owners I came to the conclusion that the magazine actuator design causes this problem by striking the pellet probe. 

I also had a sudden problem with loss of accuracy with my .22 caliber Daystate Wolverine Hi lite. Apparently, the damaged pellet probe gradually ate-away at the breech O-ring. When I described this loss of accuracy to the technician over the phone, he immediately diagnosed the problem -- "probably an O ring" -- without telling me about this common problem with these rifles.Then, he charged me for shipping the rifle to them for repair, as if the problem with a practically new rifle was my fault.

As with "Hawkeye69" above, I will not purchase another Daystate rifle. Nor will I patronize the vendor who sold me the rifle.

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I Cant see how a damaged pellet probe with a nick in it at the side of the probe behind the breach seal can damage a breach Oring that sits infront of it? the little nick out the side of the pellet probe dosnt touch the breach Oring. or do you mean the magazine Oring?

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Maybe a picture of the "little nick" on my Renegade will explain it. I had to replace the breech seal 8 times in about the first 3 months of ownership. After the probe was replaced I stopped using the magazine, haven't had to replace a seal in over year.

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Thanks for the picture, but I am still at a loss as to how that part of the probe touches the breach seal when the seal is in front of it? only explanation I can come up with is it bends the probe slightly so it does not line up with the breach properly so the seal gets pinched on one edge maybe?

I cant see them on the daystate website yet for sale, but personally I have never had an issue with the Mag that came with my airwolf or the one with my red wolf. plus 3 others I have purchased. I do shoot 1.77 if that makes any difference.

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I've owned 4 calibers of Daystate rifles from .177 cal. to .30 cal. and on each rifle the pellet probe developed nicks that gradually increase with use. From reading about other Daystate owners I came to the conclusion that the magazine actuator design causes this problem by striking the pellet probe. 

I also had a sudden problem with loss of accuracy with my .22 caliber Daystate Wolverine Hi lite. Apparently, the damaged pellet probe gradually ate-away at the breech O-ring. When I described this loss of accuracy to the technician over the phone, he immediately diagnosed the problem -- "probably an O ring" -- without telling me about this common problem with these rifles.Then, he charged me for shipping the rifle to them for repair, as if the problem with a practically new rifle was my fault.

As with "Hawkeye69" above, I will not purchase another Daystate rifle. Nor will I patronize the vendor who sold me the rifle.

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I Cant see how a damaged pellet probe with a nick in it at the side of the probe behind the breach seal can damage a breach Oring that sits infront of it? the little nick out the side of the pellet probe dosnt touch the breach Oring. or do you mean the magazine Oring?

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Maybe a picture of the "little nick" on my Renegade will explain it. I had to replace the breech seal 8 times in about the first 3 months of ownership. After the probe was replaced I stopped using the magazine, haven't had to replace a seal in over year.

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Thanks for the picture, but I am still at a loss as to how that part of the probe touches the breach seal when the seal is in front of it? only explanation I can come up with is it bends the probe slightly so it does not line up with the breach properly so the seal gets pinched on one edge maybe?

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When you shoot the gun, excess air causes the actuator pin up which actuates the lever, the lever strikes the probe on one side. What I believe is happening is that the probe is pushed to one side when the actuator strikes it which pushes the breech seal over to the opposite side. Doing this repeatedly causes the seal to wear unevenly and it fails prematurely. I am certain that the intensity of the strike and damage to the probe will vary from gun to gun. The damage to my Pulsar is far less, but the breech seals still fail on a pretty regular basis: