BSA MKII Super10 .177, it isn't easy bein' Green😆

Even though I am "essential" personnel, I have had a bit of free time and collecting what I needed for a project. 

I'm the sick person that made a Super10 MKIII .22 into a carbine. I've always admired the platform even though it's dated and wanted a .177 to go with it. I found one and it's a MKII. When it got here, I was hesitant to make any changes because it's super clean, however the bottle removal for charging was out. I was planning to do another Quick-fill unit from Dr. Bob's, but I always had reservation about the length of the cigar unit and the less than simple regulator adjustments.

Long story short, I decided to go to a carbon fiber bottle, which led me to think about the quick-fill, which led to the regulator, etc... 

So after some waiting for a bottle, a fill unit with gauge and regulator from Huma Air along with some taps and dies. I made my own shortened cigar body this weekend with the original valve assembly as the only original BSA component. Everything forward of that is exemplary of my own twisted mind (insert evil laugh here)😆
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Now I have a 300 bar. 220cc tank, the simplicity of a Huma, about a pound less brass, steel and aluminum, all in a package about 3 inches shorter.

I did a quick test to see where my starting point is and with the regulator at the factory setting of 136 bar, I was zinging 10.65gr. Barracuda Match pellets over 950fps through the chronograph, but it climbed through the three discreet shots I fired in my side yard, so it may want to settle higher. 

My goal is to throttle it back and go for a high shot count and mouse fart quiet package. I'm still on the fence if I want to shorten the barrel, so for the time being no one has to panic that the barrel will wind up on the lathe. Yet....😉

The stock is the original beech, stripped of the IKEA furniture finish and dyed green with products from Keda Dye co. I'll still have to shorten the forearm before I can set it in the stock, but I'm just happy that my proof of concept worked. 

For the technical and tuner types, there is a plenum approximately 20cc after the regulator. I used some crude math to get a rough ballpark, so don't crucify me for not being too analytical. However, the pellet weight and velocity put me over 21FPE, so I didn't scare up too bad. I have a feeling that right now, it's an air hog, not that it was too loud, but it seemed like it was exhaling post shot, like my Theoben Rapid .25 which is an excellent example that I love just the way it is.

I'm not sure if that's enough info, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Mark
 
I can’t seem to easily post the link.

From the home page go to products, scroll to the bottom and BSA is just above Theoben/RAW.

Pick either of the two pages and scroll to the bottom. I suggest the Stainless steel. He actually made the ball larger(about 24mm). I suggested he try 20mm, and he has gone with it since. The metal trigger blades are nice too.

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I found it, but nothing I would need to purchase. I can machine my own if I feel the need, but thank you for the lead. Initially I thought you meant that it was a side-lever conversion. 

From what I can figure, I fired a total of 25 shots and used from 200 bar to 150 bar, so at 2 bar per shot it needs some help for efficiency. Tinkering with that will have to wait, I'll be content to fire it into my crude pellet stop to keep cycling the regulator and see if it settles in.

My next focus will be the shortening of the forearm and since I have an adversarial relationship with wood, I will proceed slowly. 

Mark 
 
Nick,

Thanks for the offer, hopefully I will be careful enough to avoid rework. I'm most likely going to put my trusty Dremel in service to do the interior wood removal. The actual shortening will be pretty unscientific and just sawn off, but I want the relief area for the quick-fill body to be minimal material removal and allow the bottle to nestle in snugly at the end with just enough clearance to keep the lines smooth. 

I did some calculations and I'm at about 1.35 psi/FPE currently for those interested. I would love to hear any suggestions for the best approach (least invasive) to lower that number.

Mark


 
Excellent to see someone tinkering with an old S10! Ive had a few in sub 12fpe, and a .22 mk2 FAC, all tuned by Bowkett. Heavy old bricks but excellent guns....

As a simple attempt to save air, perhaps playing with lighter hammers and packing the existing spring with delrin may be a good place to start? Not sure the cocking would be very friendly mind, but a cheap non intrusive way to begin.....
 
Jamie,

Years ago, when the S10 was introduced, I thought it was the neatest thing I ever saw, but financially it was not to be and I was still living where an air rifle was competing with firearms. Fast forward to several years ago and my love of airguns was rekindled. It started with trying to replace my old RWS 45 and rapidly deteriorated into the purchase of a used Theoben Rapid in .25 and then an S10 MKIII popped up in .22 and I figured why not have one. It shot fairly well, but languished due to bottle issues and what later was found to bad seals. I had seen pictures of the carbine version and decided to give it a new lease on life, the quick fill was added and the barrel/shroud was bobbed back (barrel to 250mm). That's when I found out I had seal issues and after that It has been holding air for the better part of a year and still needs further testing because the one outing to the range showed that it was extremely accurate. 

I thought that having another in .177 would be fun to build as another carbine, but as I said, I'm not sure I want to bob this one back and to be honest, I had no idea that I could make that much power. Not sure how I want to proceed at this point. If I keep it full length, I could easily double the size of the bottle and still keep the factory moderator, if I shorten it, I would make my own full length shroud and do another 250mm barrel.

Mark
 
Minor update: I checked on the assembled action assembly yesterday and no evidence of leakage. I decided to run another magazine of pellets through it and send them over the chronograph. That was interesting to see, instead of the higher velocity and increasing values, I saw a 60+fps decrease. It was rock solid at 891fps +/- 1 for all but the last 2 shots, which were 888 and 886. So I may have just found the reg setpoint.

My guess is that the regulator snuggled into a comfy spot after being under pressure for over 24 hours. The discharge noise seemed to be louder, because it sounded briefer and more intense, however it may just be my imagination. 

I forgot to mention that the valve return spring, due to the nature of my cigar construction, sits on a threaded plate that allows air passage from the plenum to the valve and is adjustable.I have the spring under medium compression and was wondering if I compressed it more or went with a heavier rate spring, would that likely reduce the dwell time the valve is open, or have minimal effect? I have only theoretical knowledge from studying others work and even then, I can't say I have a good grasp of the nuances of tuning.

Mark
 
Okay, I finally fixed my stock and put it all together today. Here she is in her green glory 😁

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I turned the regulator back about 1/4 rotation and it was sending 10.65gr. pellets at 830-833fps for all ten shots. Now to find the chance to get to the range with it and see what it can do.

By the way, anybody want to buy some leftovers?😆

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Mark
 
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A much later update. 

I have been sidelined getting anything done in my shop due to a severe clutter problem. I'm pleased to say that things are finally getting some traction towards completion. 

Which brings us to the green critter I was creating. I came across it and it had finally leaked down over the course of eight months. My carbine barrel never made it here and I felt too cheap to risk ordering another one. 

I decided to cut the barrel and use the portion with the choke in it, but I was just cautious enough that I basically cut the barrel in half. That turned out to be a good call. 

The bore was not centered.....😱

So, what I did was to use the original breech and turn the muzzle of that section concentric for a moderator. Without sleeving and a lot of machining, I couldn't have used the forward portion for those that are about to light me up as a heretic, again.

None of my moderators were small enough diameter, so I repurposed most of the unit from my P15. Here it is with it's .22 sibling. You'll notice that I managed to reduce the overall length by another 1 3/8" using my reworked cigar/regulator/quick fill assembly.
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Losing half the barrel length, surprisingly, only cost me 200fps. It's considerable, but I'm sitting just a hair under 12fpe. Now it will be a project to keep it at that level and see how efficient I can make the combination of short barrel and small air tank. That won't happen terribly soon, but at least it's moving along. 

By the way, I removed the indexing lever and am using the new style BSA magazines without modifications to them. It cycles just great, so that was a relief.

Mark
 
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Just to let the BSA lovers know, I took the end section of the barrel, turned it between centers and added a sleeve to lengthen it another half inch. It now resides in one of my Leshiy's. With the hammer spring adjusted with 5 turns from minimum, it's sending a JSB 13.43gr. Monster @ 607fps.

Just wanted to let people know the end of the barrel didn't go to waste.

Mark
 
Hi Crank
enjoyed seeing what you did to this super 10 I have just managed to get an old mk1 in .22 and looking at replacing factory regulator as you have done, any drawings would be great with how you did it and which huma regulator you used, I can do all my own machining but just need a few pointers on your design, any help would be appreciated. Mine is set at 12ft/lb but would like to have it fac
did you manage to sell all the obsolete parts fro the build?
cheers
stu
 
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