Weaver "Classic" 3-9x32 Vs 6-24X42 For PCP Rifle?

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DadsKrag

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I'm looking at purchasing a used, like new Weaver Classic (Japan) 3-9x32 AO to mount on the Air Venturi Avenger (wood stock) that I have on pre-order from Pyramid Air.

I already have the Japanese manufacture 6-24X42 AO on my CZ 452 American 22rf that I am extremely pleased with.

The quandary I find myself faced with (should I purchase the 3-9x32) is whether I should mount the 4-24X42 on the PCP and use the 3-9x32 on the 22rf rifle.

I have used the CZ 452 for informal sporter class 100yd benchrest but I don't foresee doing that much in the future. 

I'm NOT looking for any suggestions on purchasing something different, unless the deal on the 3-9x32 falls through. I have experience with the Japanese Weaver Classic line of scopes and I'm very happy with the optics and quality at their price point. IMO, it's a shame they are being discontinued.

I'm just wondering which would be better suited for the PCP given that it will be shooting FX Hybrid slugs primarily for squirrel hunting and some backyard pest control. I'm thinking that the higher power magnification scope might make holdover for shots on squirrels out to 75yds more precise. I would estimate that the average Gray squirrel would have a head about 1 1/2" in height so that could be my reference for estimating holdover.
 
Sorry if I missed it, but do either of these scopes have a range finding or BDC reticle?
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Sorry if I missed it, but do either of these scopes have a range finding or BDC reticle?
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Juse curious, how many people use the reticle to range?
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BDC reticles are useless for most people because they usually don't have their own chronograph and ballistics programs.. You can do the same thing with a duplex once the calculations done with real world chronograph reading are plugged in and the subtention of the 3 aim point provided with a duplex reticle are known. Mildot reticles are probably more useful IMO.
 
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Sorry if I missed it, but do either of these scopes have a range finding or BDC reticle?
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BDC reticles are useless for most people because they usually don't have their own chronograph and ballistics programs.. You can do the same thing with a duplex once the calculations done with real world chronograph reading are plugged in and the subtention of the 3 aim point provided with a duplex reticle are known. Mildot reticles are probably more useful IMO.
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Thanks, that answers my question!
 
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Sorry if I missed it, but do either of these scopes have a range finding or BDC reticle?
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Juse curious, how many people use the reticle to range?
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Well, if the scope is set for mil dot and you range a squirrels head at just about 1/4" less than a 1 mil spacing, how far away is it according to the 1 1/2" estimate - approximately, of course?
 
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Sorry if I missed it, but do either of these scopes have a range finding or BDC reticle?
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Sorry if I missed it, but do either of these scopes have a range finding or BDC reticle?
Click to expand...

Juse curious, how many people use the reticle to range?
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Well, if the scope is set for mil dot and you range a squirrels head at just about 1/4" less than a 1 mil spacing, how far away is it according to the 1 1/2" estimate - approximately, of course?
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Here is  A THREAD that I wrote to shed some light on range estimation with a simple duplex reticle.



https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/duplex-reticle-for-range-finding-squirrels/?view=all#post-972021
 
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I would put the 3-9 on your air-rifle as your more likely to use it for close-range than the rimfire.
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What I was thinking too. 

I have a Weaver Classic (RV-7) 2.5-7 x 28 on a .22 Avenger. Focus adjusted to 20 yards for chipmunks and squirrel. Rarely shoot beyond 40 yards or use holdover. Exception is for chipmunks popping out from under brush at 5-10 yards then I just holdover by eye. 
 
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The problem with the Weaver Classic used market is Natchez threw thousands of much lower quality Classics into the market at the end of Weaver. They all still said Made In Japan and technically at one point they probably were. Many people believe the optics and other parts on many are lower quality. Unless it is from a friend where you can validate the original point of sale I would not invest in one. 

Now that I see Bushnell is handling all repairs that makes me even less likely to buy a Weaver. God knows what you would get back on a replacement for an unrepairable scope. 
 
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The problem with the Weaver Classic used market is Natchez through thousands of much lower quality Classics into the market at the end of Weaver. They all still said Made In Japan and technically at one point they probably were. Many people believe the optics and other parts on many are lower quality. Unless it is from a friend where you can validate the original point of sale I would not invest in one. 

Now that I see Bushnell is handling all repairs that makes me even less likely to buy a Weaver. God knows what you would get back on a replacement for an unrepairable scope.
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Well, I guess I kind of got lucky. I missed out on the deal, but from what you have revealed, that might have been a good thing.



I could not find any lower priced scopes that didn't have confusing "cluttered up" reticles so I ended up biting the bullet and ordering a new Leupold VX Freedom 3-9 x 33 EFR.



It has a simple duplex reticle that will be ideal for ranging shots to 50 yds. The subtention at 9X will have a 1 1/2" squirrel's head filling the gap above the crosshair at 50yds and filling the entire gap between the top and bottom posts at 25 yds. The computed trajectory of the FX Hybrid slug will be + or - 3/8" from 20 to 50yds, + or - 1/4" if I use higher rings.


 
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"I could not find any lower priced scopes that didn't have confusing "cluttered up" reticles so I ended up biting the bullet and ordering a new Leupold VX Freedom 3-9 x 33 EFR."

Boy am I with you on this. All these tacticool scopes everwhere supporting the tacticool rifle craze and all the sniper movies. Just finding a simple duplex reticle with great optics is challenging. I bought 2 of the Leupold 3.9 EFR's at the end of production for a really great price. They are bullet proof scopes, hold their value incredibly well and have exceptional customer service. I do have a Weaver Classic 4x16 I bought about 8 years ago. It still looks and operates like new. I used half a dozen of their fixed power 36X scopes when I used to compete benchrest. Weaver made some great scopes. When anyone goes out of business it is a bad situation. Same thing with Nikon.
 
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All these tacticool scopes everwhere supporting the tacticool rifle craze and all the sniper movies. Just finding a simple duplex reticle with great optics is challenging.
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Arguably the greatest sniper of all time, Carlos Hathcock, used a M70 Winchester in 30-06 with a standard 8 power Unertl scope that had a standard crosshair, no mil dots. Isn't it ironic that everyone feels it necessary to have all of these "tacticool scopes" these days?
 
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