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[N2 Shooter]

I was looking for an excuse to convince my wife on a black Friday purchase. Now, I'll tell her I had to destroy those old silencers and get that new one from Impulse Air!

 

[athlon_oved]

I was looking for an excuse to convince my wife on a black Friday purchase. Now, I'll tell her I had to destroy those old silencers and get that new one from Impulse Air!

 

[N2 Shooter]

Airgunners at the local watering hole:

Hey, remember DonnyFL? That man was an innovator!

I sure do! Some of the best airgun suppressors around! Those were the good ole days. Remember that big .72cal one he made for the AEA Zeus?

That's right, I almost forgot about that! It was so long, you could use it as a walking stick!

You wanna know something. I still got one.

GTFOH! Dude, do you know how much that's worth now! What condition is it in?

Let's put it this way. It still has the original felt and screen wraps.

OMG! That should be like in the Smithsonian or something! Bartender, another round for this gentleman! I had no idea I was in the presence of royalty!

You've always been one hell of a friend to me. I'll tell you what. You wanna come over shoot it someday?

Man really? You got me tearing up over here man. This is the happiest day of my freaking life!

 

[SilentSquirrel]

Until we know what really happened, I am going to protect (lock up) my DonnyFl moderators
If, as some believe, he actually has been busted by the deep state alphabet agencies, those black tubes of his manufacture will be worth a fortune.
And even more in crypto
Look out eBay, here I come

 

[BigTinBoat]

Until we know what really happened, I am going to protect (lock up) my DonnyFl moderators
If, as some believe, he actually has been busted by the deep state alphabet agencies, those black tubes of his manufacture will be worth a fortune.
And even more in crypto
Look out eBay, here I come

If it winds up like the solvent trap importer/seller situation, that agency will be coming to your door shortly to "request" you give it to them like they did to purchasers of items from RifleRemedy2000, Diversified Machine, solventrap.net, etc

 

[badger5th]

If it winds up like the solvent trap importer/seller situation, that agency will be coming to your door shortly to "request" you give it to them like they did to purchasers of items from RifleRemedy2000, Diversified Machine, solventrap.net, etc

I doubt it'll go to that point based on how things stand now. When RR2K was busted they seized everything which shut him down totally, same for Rare Breed Triggers, Diversified Machine, etc. All of them are either facing charges or very well could be soon. OTOH Donny is back in business (less moderators) and from one of his Facebook postings he states "We're not in trouble". I'll take him at his word on that.

 

[OldSpook]

Tom Gaylord also wrote an article in 2019: https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/03/silencers-an-update/

He did indeed. One hopes that he will revise his position in light of the 2010 court case and the poor record of most of the Federal LEAs in the last couple of decades. I do see PA is now carrying the item.

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[Nico5999]

I think a lot of people out here speculating are lacking a lot of information about the law and the situation at hand. A lot of conclusions drawn in this thread strike me as uninformed.

 

[BigTinBoat]

I doubt it'll go to that point based on how things stand now. When RR2K was busted they seized everything which shut him down totally, same for Rare Breed Triggers, Diversified Machine, etc. All of them are either facing charges or very well could be soon. OTOH Donny is back in business (less moderators) and from one of his Facebook postings he states "We're not in trouble". I'll take him at his word on that.

RR2K still has items on Gunbroker so I don't think he's shut down

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?IncludeSellers=5738023

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

If it winds up like the solvent trap importer/seller situation, that agency will be coming to your door shortly to "request" you give it to them like they did to purchasers of items from RifleRemedy2000, Diversified Machine, solventrap.net, etc

Good thing I do not have any of his stuff

 

[OldSpook]

I think a lot of people out here speculating are lacking a lot of information about the law and the situation at hand. A lot of conclusions drawn in this thread strike me as uninformed.

I don't see a lot of conclusions being drawn. Speculation yes a bit. Clearly it is not speculating to observe that their site is back up and they are not currently offering moderators. What does that tell us? Well, it tells us that their site was down. Their site is now back up but they are no longer offering moderators. Apparently those following on sociopathic media are quoting DonnyFL as saying "We are not in trouble." So without speculating we can assume that they are "not in trouble". Now here is where the speculation begins, "someone" is probably in trouble. It may well be someone who lied in an effort to cover his own bad behavior. That is my speculation. That could easily account for the site going down and coming back up with no moderators being offered in the near term.

Demonstrating honorable intentions is important. I do find it troubling that that wind only blows one way with many of the current crop of public servants but it isn't like we are busting our chops to make their jobs easier the last few years.

I think if the industry circles the wagons around two points, the 2010 case being cited, and the wording of the law itself, no case against DFL that is a "general" attack on the industry as a whole can easily succeed. I suppose someone could go to the Federal Court System and pay to do some searches and see what cases are pending in the appropriate court. I decided I wasn't interested enough to actually pay the FED for information which should be made available at no charge to the tax payers, but that's probably just me.

 

[BigTinBoat]

He did indeed. One hopes that he will revise his position in light of the 2010 court case and the poor record of most of the Federal LEAs in the last couple of decades. I do see PA is now carrying the item.

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PA carries "Fake" or "Mock" silencers and in the description of those says "It does NOT decrease the sound of your air gun."

 

[badger5th]

He did indeed. One hopes that he will revise his position in light of the 2010 court case and the poor record of most of the Federal LEAs in the last couple of decades. I do see PA is now carrying the item.

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I dunno, I just went to PA's site via your link and saw muzzlebreaks, air strippers, adapters and FAKE suppressors (item description says fake). The UZI can says "silencer" but in the details is says it doesn't silence airguns. I doubt PA has truly changed their position on the matter.

 

[badger5th]

RR2K still has items on Gunbroker so I don't think he's shut down

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?IncludeSellers=5738023

OK, I stand corrected. I thought he was shut down and in deep weeds legally based on info from about 4-6 weeks ago.

 

[OldSpook]

Good thing I do not have any of his stuff

I dunno, I just went to PA's site via your link and saw muzzlebreaks, air strippers, adapters and FAKE suppressors (item description says fake). The UZI can says "silencer" but in the details is says it doesn't silence airguns. I doubt PA has truly changed their position on the matter.

Fake suppressors are "silencers" according to the over reaching interpretations we have observed. Anything you do to the muzzle, anything at all, changes the muzzle report. I've got moderators which make no difference at 12 o'clock but which reduce the muzzle report by 12 or 14 dBs at 3 o'clock. The "one shot" interpretation is an over reach. So is the "any change" in sound level interpretation. Common sense needs to prevail over this situation. The industry as a whole needs to force that to happen. I think that hope that is what we are seeing.

None of this should be construed to imply anything in particular about the DFL situation. It is more like an opinion and we all know about those...

 

[badger5th]

Fake suppressors are "silencers" according to the over reaching interpretations we have observed. Anything you do to the muzzle, anything at all, changes the muzzle report. I've got moderators which make no difference at 12 o'clock but which reduce the muzzle report by 12 or 14 dBs at 3 o'clock. Naw, "one shot" is an over reach. So is "any change". Common sense needs to prevail over this situation. The industry as a whole needs to force that to happen. I think that hope that is what we are seeing.

I understand what you're getting at. In the PB industry there are muzzle devices that don't reduce the total blast energy but redirect enough of it forward effectively turning a CF rifle report at the shooter's ear into something closer to a 22 rimfire. Forward of the muzzle it's louder than without the device. Here's the website for one that's been on Youtube a few times.
https://wittmachine.net/sound-mitigation-equipment/.
Witt Machine also makes actual firearm suppressors as a Class 7 SOT and they claim these SME's are not suppressors and sell them online with no issues.

 

[Larcat]

Airgunners at the local watering hole:

Hey, remember DonnyFL? That man was an innovator!

I sure do! Some of the best airgun suppressors around! Those were the good ole days. Remember that big .72cal one he made for the AEA Zeus?

That's right, I almost forgot about that! It was so long, you could use it as a walking stick!

You wanna know something. I still got one.

GTFOH! Dude, do you know how much that's worth now! What condition is it in?

Let's put it this way. It still has the original felt and screen wraps.

OMG! That should be like in the Smithsonian or something! Bartender, another round for this gentleman! I had no idea I was in the presence of royalty!

You've always been one hell of a friend to me. I'll tell you what. You wanna come over shoot it someday?

Man really? You got me tearing up over here man. This is the happiest day of my freaking life!

Nice. Nice.

 

[dizzums]

well i can speculate some ... we know for certain that some 'elements' are targeting anything to do with firearms from the hardware to purchasing options .. do they care about airguns, no, not at this point, but we can surmise that some individuals decided airgun mods could be adapted to their firearms and went out and got busted with them, although the manufactured threads and design wasnt intended for that purpose ... we can deduce this was happening by the semi recent change to an etched endcap on donnys that said airgun use only .. that was the writing on the wall so to speak .. now its clear theyre trying to hang the manufactuer of airgun mods with the actions of unscrupulous indivduals ... so whats next, we cant buy machine tools because somebody might make something mean and scary? ... its a witch hunt .. glad i got the original felt packaging and donny stickers to lol ..money in the bank ..

 

[ChRiSiS]

It is quite possible for two or more things to be true; namely (a) DonnyFL is not in any trouble, and (b) DonnyFL’s suppressors were a little too well made and were being used as NFA suppressors (i.e. on Powder Burners, not airguns). This could lead to be a third thing being true, such as (c) DonnyFL can continue his business BUT NOT SELL SUPPRESSORS MADE AS HE DID BEFORE.

So, in the case of (a) this is based on what Donny has said. (B) is a supposition on my part, and (c) is a fact based on his current website.

Nothing inconsistent about that at all. In fact, it makes sense, especially given the “Intent” part of the recent court judgements, plus the fact that the mods are still being sold all over the internet by retailers.

As for a certain agency coming after tens of thousands of airgun owners because they purchased airgun moderators which were quite legal to sell, buy, and own… well, I’m not gonna lose too much sleep over that. Is it possible? Sure, anything’s possible these days, but is it likely, especially if all you have done is put them on your air rifle, with a thread/end cap inconsistent with any firearm? Nah.

Gonna relax with a nice drink in front of the fire before bed. The rest of you can worry on behalf of the whole sport.