Tuning Fredrik I need your attention for FX Impact trigger improvement please pics heavy

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mubhaur

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Fx Impact is the PCP of this modern time with most good things like external adjustments, high power and accuracy.

I always kept and updated my FX Impacts. Right now I have M3 in which I have done a few improvements.

To me the main deal breaking from go to gun had always been its trigger.

Sorry to say but Technically not a match grade and not a real two stage trigger.

For some reasons trigger is one of the most important things for me.

I always scratched my head to find a way to make it as good as I need.

While discussing this matter on the forum and myself designing some triggers drawings, an idea of another airgunner clicked me but he had only drawings and never tried to make it.

I plunged into it and with my own input in his drawings I made some parts of the trigger.

After a long time and cost of R&D finally I have achieved a very nice 1st stage around 2 ounces and 2nd stage is adjustable that right now I have at at around 8 ounces.

The good thing is that the trigger alway come back if I don't pull it through the 2nd stage and let it go back to reset for availing 1st stage again.

The 2nd stage adjustments do not affect the first stage smoothness at all.

Still a long way to go to make it better and better. But for now this has made Impact my go to gun.

I wish Fredrik you could use this style or any other better way to make the Impact trigger a perfect target trigger like HW100, RAW and some FWB guns.

Following is my work in pics.

I plan to also make YouTube video on it for better understanding.

Umair Bhaur

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Hw9720 said:
I think I like it but to us no tech guys it would be nice if pictures had the details denoted. Especially for the amount of work you have put in too it.

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Thank you.

Really a lot of work and a number of set ups with a bit different angles.

It's not my own product, normally me and my machinist both work on the ideas.

Mostly where high pressure air is involved then me, a mechanical engineer and the machinist are involved.

But for this trigger me and the machinist did it all.

At a stage we felt it is not possible. But suddenly some adjustments that we made did the magic for us.

It's not perfect yet but I am very comfortable now.

I think that FX can do something like this on same lines and give us a more refined product.

Why YouTubeer showing FX guns don't discuss this matter, I am unable to understand.

Bhaur
 
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Terrific solution.
A simple fix that would be helpful for many of us would be to make the spring weight of the ball detent screw adjustable. In the factory configuration I am forced to setup the trigger as a single stage with a very light pull of under 5 oz. This is fine for the bench but not ideal for hunting etc.
 
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Lewis said:
Terrific solution.
A simple fix that would be helpful for many of us would be to make the spring weight of the ball detent screw adjustable. In the factory configuration I am forced to setup the trigger as a single stage with a very light pull of under 5 oz. This is fine for the bench but not ideal for hunting etc.
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For hunting it may be adjusted. The overall concept may be improved on these lines to adjust it to bench trigger and then to hunting trigger.

Not trying to justify but for some reason I like very light first stage and under 10 ounce 2nd stage.

First stage should always come back if shot is not taken.

Regards,

Bhaur
 
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bigHUN said:
Valid comments.
But if you would spend more time shooting that creates a muscle memory = sooner or later the subconscious part of the mind takes it over. There are good read about.
Polishing trigger parts and many many thousands of shots worked for me... and no matter the trigger.
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I understand that with such a great gun I should be able to adjust the trigger to my liking from the day one without thousands of shots and without polishing.

By the way as per my understanding Impact trigger has technical need for improvement.

Bhaur
 
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bigHUN said:
OK, just take it hypothetically, you have a pimple on your fingertip. How would you execute the trigger? Any trigger but for this example the Impact.
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My friend I understand your point.
But my point is that if other manufacturers can make such triggers whome you can adjust as light or as hard as you like on the day one then why should the user of Impact need polishing and thousands of rounds to be comfortable with the trigger.

Again I add during this long break in period not only trigger becomes a bit smooth but your brain also adopts the behaviour of trigger.

The result is that you feel it to be good trigger.

I have done all that with Impact trigger but even after that if I buy the gun of another brand with good trigger, there is still day and night difference.

A good new trigger remains good even after break in etc. of an average trigger.

I don't see that any break in of average trigger can beat better architectured trigger.

Many manufacturers do a lot of R&D on triggers as it gives the 1st practical feeling of the gun.

Bhaur
 
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Enkey said:
Hi
I could never understand that after so many years of manufacturing impacts they are still selling a $2000 airgun with such a pitiful trigger.
If you are going to manufacture some let us know.
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Enkey
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Since it is my hobby and the making of this part is costly and time consuming and also its adjustment is very technical, it will be difficult to offer this part.

That is why I request FX to look into it and start improving on such similar manner using their high tech machines.

Bhaur
 
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mubhaur said:
Since it is my hobby and the making of this part is costly and time consuming and also its adjustment is very technical, it will be difficult to offer this part.

That is why I request FX to look into it and start improving on such similar manner using their high tech machines.

Bhaur
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Fx is not going to do anything with a good or bad trigger, their products sell the same, they are not going to waste their time in something that is not going to give more profit. Maybe Saber or Kraford&Lypt are interested but FX I doubt it.
 
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Enkey said:
Fx is not going to do anything with a good or bad trigger, their products sell the same, they are not going to waste their time in something that is not going to give more profit. Maybe Saber or Kraford&Lypt are interested but FX I doubt it.
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Let's see. I expect good things from Fredrik if we ask him for it.
 
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Why would anybody buy just any airgun if the trigger or any other feature is not a suit to your taste?
If you don't like it don't buy it, if you bought it and realized that you don't like it - just swap it to any other brand or model. Why would you want to suffer and keep awake a whole night because of that?
Just my two cents, and sorry for derailing a thread.
 
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It is called compromise,so many good air guns come with bad triggers,some can be worked on to make better ,others as you say take "mental practice" for "muscle memory" to set in,the question becomes ,why wouldn't an expensive air rifle that has so many adjustments Not come with a trigger that can be adjusted to all shooters needs.
People are willing to compromise because they have to....poster is right up my ally of thinking,something needs to be done,so "Just Do It".
 
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bigHUN said:
Why would anybody buy just any airgun if the trigger or any other feature is not a suit to your taste?
If you don't like it don't buy it, if you bought it and realized that you don't like it - just swap it to any other brand or model. Why would you want to suffer and keep awake a whole night because of that?
Just my two cents, and sorry for derailing a thread.
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Normally there is nothing 100% perfect for everyone that is why things are made adjustable.

If an innovative company like FX can make an out of the box thinking style gun i. e. Impact I believe they can improve trigger too.

I do have other guns with great triggers but those guns lack many of the capabilities of Impact.

So in both ways wether we have to compromise or do some effort and request the manufacturer to improve on those tested lines.

Bhaur
 
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Yes, I agree that the FX triggers are rather crude in comparison to other guns match triggers. By publishing all your modifications and photos, your are leaving yourself open for someone to steal your hard work, unless you don't really care. You could copywrite or patent that work, then if anyone would want to build rifles with your triggers, you could gain a royalty each time that is done. It could be rather complex and may require hiring a lawyer, but your work is proprietary and worth something.
 
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