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they are talking about scopes on powderburners.

WHOLE different ballgame than scopes for airguns

also,
dont assume all the "tactical idiots" on youtube know what they are talking about,
i have seen more bad/incorrect information on youtube than ANYWHERE else,
so take anything with a grain of salt.

("tactical idiot")
its a word i use to describe people who have no real knowledge of guns,they just mimic all the other incorrect information they have seen.

you know the people im talking about...lol

have you ever been to a gun range,
and had some guy show up dressed in all the latest and greatest tactical gear and a fancy AR,
and then proceed to make himself look even more ridiculous by showing his complete lack of knowledge of how to properly use or even operate the items in front of him.

sorry lol not enough coffee yet

all hail the christmas tree reticle!
 
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starlingassn said:
and in reality, for airguns,
if you dont want to dial your turret to longer distances,
youll need holdover points.
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Normally I agree. However it did sounds like the people giving the feedback were very experienced with solid backgrounds. Yes take it with a grain of salt.

Personally I'm used to using holdovers vs dialing so its natural for me in airguns.

You'll notice i mentioned the christmas tree in my op. I also mentioned it in the comments on their video.. However the other info, especially about tube size, still applies and would be accurate for air rifles too.
 
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starlingassn said:
they are talking about scopes on powderburners.

WHOLE different ballgame than scopes for airguns

also,
dont assume all the "tactical idiots" on youtube know what they are talking about,
i have seen more bad/incorrect information on youtube than ANYWHERE else,
so take anything with a grain of salt.

("tactical idiot")
its a word i use to describe people who have no real knowledge of guns,they just mimic all the other incorrect information they have seen.

you know the people im talking about...lol

have you ever been to a gun range,
and had some guy show up dressed in all the latest and greatest tactical gear and a fancy AR,
and the proceed to make himself look even more ridiculous by showing his complete lack of knowledge of how to properly use or even operate the items in front of him.

sorry lol not enough coffee yet

all hail the christmas tree reticle!
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Yep, you’re absolutely right regarding YT “experts”.
It’s like this world we’re experiencing now where the minority tells you how to think and not think for yourself. Kids are told what offends them and they believe it. Too many don’t use their gray matter for its intended purpose.
Reminds of the instructor I had for a college class years ago. It was a supervision class discussing “bad attitude”. He taught us that a bad attitude is one persons evaluation of anothers behavior. Think for yourself.
 
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rcs9250 said:
Yep, you’re absolutely right regarding YT “experts”.
It’s like this world we’re experiencing now where the minority tells you how to think and not think for yourself. Kids are told what offends them and they believe it. Too many don’t use their gray matter for its intended purpose.
Reminds of the instructor I had for a college class years ago. It was a supervision class discussing “bad attitude”. He taught us that a bad attitude is one persons evaluation of anothers behavior. Think for yourself.
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Its why I want people to challenge EVERYTHING they hear, even from sources they trust. As patton said, if everyone's thinking the same, then someone's not thinking.

I don't want people to think like me, I want them to question and think.
 
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rcs9250 said:
Yep, you’re absolutely right regarding YT “experts”.
It’s like this world we’re experiencing now where the minority tells you how to think and not think for yourself. Kids are told what offends them and they believe it. Too many don’t use their gray matter for its intended purpose.
Reminds of the instructor I had for a college class years ago. It was a supervision class discussing “bad attitude”. He taught us that a bad attitude is one persons evaluation of anothers behavior. Think for yourself.
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Love it! Social media is absolutely destroying people's capacity for critical thinking. We've evolved that capacity for a reason. It's no less vital than our "fight or flight" instinct!
 
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I don't know about a so called Christmas tree reticle, I like a relatively simple mil-dot. Not really complex, not much in the field of view but plenty of reference points for distance holdover. If you're really smart with using them you can use a Mildot for ranging but I'm not that smart. I failed geometry. 😞
 
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Watched a few seconds, enough.

Back when Hawke 1st showed up the had a couple of (but memory you know so) Nick Jenkins designed reticles. Had the SR-6 and SR12 so called christmas tree reticle and for the special purpose they were designed for excellent design. And a different lens factory that was pretty good.
Made for FT shooters mostly but the DAQ was spot on with one also. These days why they do not still offer the SR-8 sub-sonic .22 scope I have no idea, Might just be the hot ticket for a lot of "slug" shooters in the power range though much more of a hunting that target scope.
circle bracketed very well, the extra on the SR12 even better for bracketing.
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A better title for that video might be "6 Scope Opinions + One Scope Myth" rather than 7 myths. The only one that stood out to me as an actual myth was that larger diameter scope tubes increase light transmission / gathering, which they do not as stated in the video. They only give the ability to provide more travel on the knobs. Only the objective size relates to light "gathering". (There might be more actual myths, but I missed them if there are.)
 
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spysir said:
Watched a few seconds, enough.

Back when Hawke 1st showed up the had a couple of (but memory you know so) Nick Jenkins designed reticles. Had the SR-6 and SR12 so called christmas tree reticle and for the special purpose they were designed for excellent design. And a different lens factory that was pretty good.
Made for FT shooters mostly but the DAQ was spot on with one also. These days why they do not still offer the SR-8 sub-sonic .22 scope I have no idea, Might just be the hot ticket for a lot of "slug" shooters in the power range though much more of a hunting that target scope.
circle bracketed very well, the extra on the SR12 even better for bracketing.
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SR12
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John
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had the sr-pro reticle on a sidewinder back in the day,
man that reticle was seriously useful!
 
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starlingassn said:
had the sr-pro reticle on a sidewinder back in the day,
man that reticle was seriously useful!
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Mr.S thank you for mentioning that. I hadn't actually tried looking through their site for a decade + . Turn out in some model (but I dislike illuminated) they do have the old "SR8" just the labeled as the subsonic that would be perfect for the af escape as set up and used. Appreciate it!
Still think if they had kept the original nick Jenkins FT reticule it would now rule HFT and be a standard like JSB or such. Which just made me think perhaps I should look at the UK/other versions and see if they might.
Thanks again.

John
 
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Concerning the Tree reticles.
Sometimes one might not have time to dial a shooting solution for one distance, like when hunting.
Now expand that scenario x10 - if there are 10 distances then dialing scope turrets 10 times within a stringent time limit can be stressful and a hinderance if one wants to engage all the targets to finish a stage.

I might be one of the earliest competitors using tree reticles to successfully compete and win long range series championships with mag fed centerfire precision rifles using holdovers and holdoffs almost exclusively for a few years.
I used Horus Tree reticles, primarily the H59.
This is what I found out 1st hand while doing so. While the others were taking their eyes out the scope's sight picture to dial for all 9 of the 10 steel(first steel was already dialed for), I was using that time to locate the next steel target and assess what the wind was doing, and maybe as important as those was taking the extra time I had to build a steadier position.
Three reasons right there which helped me win two seasons at the AZPRC series/2011 and 2012.
Everyone else seemed more rushed because they dialed for all the steel.

Furthermore I experimented with dialing here and there at times in this series and found zero advantage vs using holds as far as hitting what I aimed at. Much of the misses I had were due to not guessing the wind right.
Also I learned that the .2 mil holds in my reticle was superior to half mil holds on smaller targets and easier to make a better measurement of POI to POA for a correction.

Hundreds of Precision Rifleman in NRL, PRS, and other similar shooting sports would agree with me because this is common practice now.

Yeah if you have ample time dialing is fine or even preferred. I dial more than I hold these days but I'm not under the time limits I was back then.
 
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