FX Dreamline POI shifts -HELP

[bsahogger]

I don't think it's a defect if the end user changed something and it effected poi. I've got a dt compact 25 shooting 43 ft lbs. Took the shroud off to inspect, C-A the end cap on so it won't unscrew with the moderator and bump the barrel willy nilly. It's still shooting same hole..... Like bore diameter after 4 days of travel and hunting. No offense intended but it's best to look for user error first ime with fx. The gear is good, user fiddling is what has caused my inconsistencies without fail on my impact or my dreamtac.

User error? End user changed something? All end user did was pay good money for a brand new gun, only to find out that after a few shots the flimsy little plastic wagon wheel spacers that center the noodle (also known as a liner, but never called a barrrel, because that it is not) in the shroud get blown back towards the breech; this is what causes the poi shifts. User then has to read hundreds of posts about this issue & user then has to fiddle with bits of duct tape to hold these little pieces of junk in place around the noodle. If end user doesn't want to fiddle he can send the gun to UA & they can super glue them in place because they have no other fix. In their own words:
"We understand where you are coming from and how frustrating it is. We have talked to FX about this before at length,"
So yeah, nothing to do with the end user, the liner design does not work, period.

 

[6gun]

User error? End user changed something? All end user did was pay good money for a brand new gun, only to find out that after a few shots the flimsy little plastic wagon wheel spacers that center the noodle (also known as a liner, but never called a barrrel, because that it is not) in the shroud get blown back towards the breech; this is what causes the poi shifts. User then has to read hundreds of posts about this issue & user then has to fiddle with bits of duct tape to hold these little pieces of junk in place around the noodle. If end user doesn't want to fiddle he can send the gun to UA & they can super glue them in place because they have no other fix. In their own words:
"We understand where you are coming from and how frustrating it is. We have talked to FX about this before at length,"
So yeah, nothing to do with the end user, the liner design does not work, period.

I just bought a dreamtact and took the shroud off to see about the little baffle. Mine was properly connected. Also volquartsen had tensioned liners in a carbon tube too for 22lr. It's a different performance regime and it really is a brand for the technically minded if im being honest. If orings were removed that's a variable introduced to the original formula. Some folks might be better served by a umarex than an fx.

 

[6gun]

I just bought a dreamtact and took the shroud off to see about the little baffle. Mine was properly connected. Also volwuartsen had tensioned liners in a carbon tube too. It's a different performance regime and it really is a brand for the technically minded if im being honest. If orings were removed that's a variable introduced to the original formula. Some folks might be better served by a umarex than an fx.

Granted modifications and machining things is my hobby, ive been able to shoot 400 yards with a liner at 73 ft lbs in 22 with my talent. At 42 ft lbs the dreamtact has been good up to 80 yards thus far for me as well (dreamtac is the one I'm not modifying). My impact is so heavily Modified and powerful that it's just as unusable as a 22lr in the city now. My mrod took the most mods and problem solving to end poi shift. It's just persistence. I know people get mad spending 2k on a gun and having to fiddle, but my firrarms experience hadn't been any different. Or hotrods or guitars, or shop machinery. I guess I'm an outlier.

 

[bsahogger]

I just bought a dreamtact and took the shroud off to see about the little baffle. Mine was properly connected. Also volquartsen had tensioned liners in a carbon tube too for 22lr. It's a different performance regime and it really is a brand for the technically minded if im being honest. If orings were removed that's a variable introduced to the original formula. Some folks might be better served by a umarex than an fx.

FX Dreamline .177 needs a barrel, end of story. If you toss the noodle in the trash & fit a steel barrel with 5/8" OD you will have no further issues. Earlier on I posted about my CZ457: same story with every 22lr I have ever owned, the gun with a decent barrel shoots.

 

[6gun]

FX Dreamline .177 needs a barrel, end of story. If you toss the noodle in the trash & fit a steel barrel with 5/8" OD you will have no further issues. Earlier on I posted about my CZ457: same story with every 22lr I have ever owned, the gun with a decent barrel shoots.

177 is not in my wheelhouse and I tend to believe the horror stories revolving around that bore in the liners. Then again liners have served me well too, it may be a noodle compared to a firearm but the pressures and recoil whip harmonics are proportionately smaller.

Imho the cz you bought is one of the best sold and ive not been as lucky as you with barrels chambers and headspace in that regime.

I own a 700mm liner and that thing is whippy. Thru some work and many many years of rimfire low level competition experience with lots of platforms I was able to calm it down. Cardboard is the dreamline 25 380mm, target is 700mm 22impact. Groups of 5. I won't pretend it didn't take a lot of time, air and ammo to get it to do that. These Lego guns are too tempting to mess with and the slightest variable change seems to throw off the entire equation. I think they give you aerospace pellet gun parts and you have to make them work your way. For the price I understand how this is upsetting for some. This is where I believe R. A. W really steps into the market with a buy and shoot gun in the hmx1000

 

[Kola]

FX Dreamline .177 needs a barrel, end of story. If you toss the noodle in the trash & fit a steel barrel with 5/8" OD you will have no further issues. Earlier on I posted about my CZ457: same story with every 22lr I have ever owned, the gun with a decent barrel shoots.

Now that you have a refund you should really move on.

I own only one FX among a number of rifles.
It is now about 3 odd years old.

In the last month, a number of trips to the range, two hunting trips where I carried and handled it on foot for over 60km, travelled by road a total of over 450km in the back of my 4x4, another 150km odd cradled in my arm over bumpy farm roads in 4x4.
Before every use I check zero, imagine my total surprise with it being spot on every time.
Every shot on a hare, guinea fowl and goose I took hit where I aimed.
There must be something wrong with it for sure…

Now I will be labelled a fan boy by some…

Well, on the last hunting trip, for night shooting, I left the Dreamline behind and used a new Kral Puncher Empire because it is practical for the use case, and it also killed everything I pointed it at.

Life is short, if it does not work for you, move on and stop bitching.

 

[bsahogger]

Now that you have a refund you should really move on.

I own only one FX among a number of rifles.
It is now about 3 odd years old.

In the last month, a number of trips to the range, two hunting trips where I carried and handled it on foot for over 60km, travelled by road a total of over 450km in the back of my 4x4, another 150km odd cradled in my arm over bumpy farm roads in 4x4.
Before every use I check zero, imagine my total surprise with it being spot on every time.
Every shot on a hare, guinea fowl and goose I took hit where I aimed.
There must be something wrong with it for sure…

Now I will be labelled a fan boy by some…

Well, on the last hunting trip, for night shooting, I left the Dreamline behind and used a new Kral Puncher Empire because it is practical for the use case, and it also killed everything I pointed it at.

Life is short, if it does not work for you, move on and stop bitching.

Moved on looong ago & wasn't bitching at all, another member revived the post & incorrectly stated that the issue was caused by the end user messing with the gun. As long as folk revive the post I will point out the latent defect with the FX Dreamline to help other forum members.

 

[Kola]

Moved on looong ago & wasn't bitching at all, another member revived the post & incorrectly stated that the issue was caused by the end user messing with the gun. As long as folk revive the post I will point out the latent defect with the FX Dreamline to help other forum members.

Thank goodness my does not have the ‘latent’ defect then.
Maybe the other member has a point.

Clearly you have not moved on yet, good luck with the continued struggle

 

[BABz58]

I wish I had a nickel for every FX POI shift thread.
Good luck with their problems they sold to you for top dollar.

 

[bsahogger]

Thank goodness my does not have the ‘latent’ defect then.
Maybe the other member has a point.

Clearly you have not moved on yet, good luck with the continued struggle

If you indeed own a Dreamilne .177 then it for sure has at least one of the latent defects, ie. the flimsy liner spacers. It very likely has a cracked liner as well. The issues will manifest themsleves in time, perhaps then you will read this thread in its entirety & see just how common it is & to what extent folk go to remedy it, eg. superglue, epoxy, cf tubes. You will also see that the US distributor has discussed the issue at length with the manufacturer. You may also then stumble across the several hundred other posts in this regard on the internet.
I'm surprised that you are hunting game birds in the Eastern Cape with an air rifle, super unethical & pretty sure illegal.

 

[6gun]

Moved on looong ago & wasn't bitching at all, another member revived the post & incorrectly stated that the issue was caused by the end user messing with the gun. As long as folk revive the post I will point out the latent defect with the FX Dreamline to help other forum members.

It won't help anybody unfortunately. i did the same with aea stuff and even made parts. Airgunners are notoriously cheap brand loyal or hating f-e's and it may have been a rarity defect in the 177 realm I have never smithed on or shot. I have read about 177 and 25 defects however..... Just never seen one. I generally do not recommend people buy an fx unless they are tinker prone either because they're quite the sensitive assembly. Machining guns from scratch almost has a lower learning curve

 

[6gun]

If you indeed own a Dreamilne .177 then it for sure has at least one of the latent defects, ie. the flimsy liner spacers. It very likely has a cracked liner as well. The issues will manifest themsleves in time, perhaps then you will read this thread in its entirety & see just how common it is & to what extent folk go to remedy it, eg. superglue, epoxy, cf tubes. You will also see that the US distributor has discussed the issue at length with the manufacturer. You may also then stumble across the several hundred other posts in this regard on the internet.
I'm surprised that you are hunting game birds in the Eastern Cape with an air rifle, super unethical & pretty sure illegal.

Since mine is affixed well, if you had to guess, what was the play between the spacer/baffle disc and liner?

 

[bsahogger]

Since mine is affixed well, if you had to guess, what was the play between the spacer/baffle disc and liner?

Look at the pictures earlier in this thread & Google "FX Dreamline POI shifts"; the spacers first of all move down the liner towards the breech; they also tilt, so the play is uneven.
I have also built a ton of guns, including pcp (see "home made pcp receiver" elsewhere on this forum. I do not mind messing with components to a get a gun to shoot, again, all as mentioned in this thread. I have shot it all. This is simply a terrible design from a high end company chasing profits. But hey, FX brings out a new version of each model every year right? So if it has issues you can just wait until the MK2 comes out, then sell your MK1 for half price?

 

[6gun]

Look at the pictures earlier in this thread & Google "FX Dreamline POI shifts"; the spacers first of all move down the liner towards the breech; they also tilt, so the play is uneven.
I have also built a ton of guns, including pcp (see "home made pcp receiver" elsewhere on this forum. I do not mind messing with components to a get a gun to shoot, again, all as mentioned in this thread. I have shot it all. This is simply a terrible design from a high end company chasing profits. But hey, FX brings out a new version of each model every year right? So if it has issues you can just wait until the MK2 comes out, then sell your MK1 for half price?

They all ask full retail on ebay . You might get a mod or an optic with it for that price. I don't disagree with wait to buy an fx till the rolling updates catch up. The youtube southafrican infomercials and rolling updates funded by early adopters I take big issue with too.

If they asked half price id buy them all up and spin a simple delrin part up on the lathe in 5 minutes to replace the offending part, maybe even add 2 more. I will keep my eyes peeled for more instances of this issue. As of yet mine has been awesome and bricks the game birds super reliably. Sorry you had a bum example.

 

[bsahogger]

They all ask full retail on ebay . You might get a mod or an optic with it for that price. I don't disagree with wait to buy an fx till the rolling updates catch up. The youtube southafrican infomercials and rolling updates funded by early adopters I take big issue with too.

If they asked half price id buy them all up and spin a simple delrin part up on the lathe in 5 minutes to replace the offending part, maybe even add 2 more. I will keep my eyes peeled for more instances of this issue. As of yet mine has been awesome and bricks the game birds super reliably. Sorry you had a bum example.

Delrin spacers may be a good replacement for those flimsy little wagon wheel spacers, ain't gonna fix the cracks in the .177 liners. If FX totally stopped making .177's I may gather a little respect for them.