Western Airguns Mordax pcp!

[Airgun-hobbyist]

Hmm I don't have problems with the triggers on either of my Western airguns. The travel, feel, and break are different depending on if is in semi or full mode, but otherwise its light and easy. I guess I don't know how a good trigger feels lol but as long as they aren't hard to pull I get used to their individual actions.

Because they are a semi auto, I'd keep a regular maintenance schedule of cleaning and lubing, just like would be done with a semi auto powder burner, car, or motorcycle for example. And when time comes, you'll probably feel a difference in trigger pull and cycle rate.

 

[Elbowgrease]

Because they are a semi auto, I'd keep a regular maintenance schedule of cleaning and lubing, just like would be done with a semi auto powder burner, car, or motorcycle for example. And when time comes, you'll probably feel a difference in trigger pull and cycle rate.

I did lube things up. There is a difference now with the action. Not much but it is noticeable. Especially with semi-auto. That safety though. Switching from safe to any of the firing modes is just a grindy mess feeling through the entire first stage up until you hit that second stage wall of have at least fired the thing once. Then it goes away. I imagen that with time it will smooth out. Ill just need to shoot it more and that is fine with me. I have plenty of pellets and slugs to test out as well as the setup to keep aired up all day if I want. Im thinking of adjusting the reg some. I want to get it right around one mag. Mabe a couple shots beyond that before needing to air back up. I am getting right around 800fps with the jsb .22 18 grain pellets right now without messing with the reg and just adjusting the power knob. I get about 2 mags.

 

[Airgun-hobbyist]

I did lube things up. There is a difference now with the action. Not much but it is noticeable. Especially with semi-auto. That safety though. Switching from safe to any of the firing modes is just a grindy mess feeling through the entire first stage up until you hit that second stage wall of have at least fired the thing once. Then it goes away. I imagen that with time it will smooth out. Ill just need to shoot it more and that is fine with me. I have plenty of pellets and slugs to test out as well as the setup to keep aired up all day if I want. Im thinking of adjusting the reg some. I want to get it right around one mag. Mabe a couple shots beyond that before needing to air back up. I am getting right around 800fps with the jsb .22 18 grain pellets right now without messing with the reg and just adjusting the power knob. I get about 2 mags.

It is interesting that it's gritty on the first stage, and only after putting on the safety... There are only limited parts that are moving on the first stage of the pull. At least this is how it is with the Rattler. It sounds like the trigger safety catch mechanism and it's counterpart catch on the trigger mechanism or corresponding linkage are rubbing until shot and the full cycling/moving of the parts clear's the rub for the next shot.

Did you happen to take a picture of the internals so we can likeky get a better diagnosis?

 

[Elbowgrease]

It is interesting that it's gritty on the first stage, and only after putting on the safety... There are only limited parts that are moving on the first stage of the pull. At least this is how it is with the Rattler. It sounds like the trigger safety catch mechanism and it's counterpart catch on the trigger mechanism or corresponding linkage are rubbing until shot and the full cycling/moving of the parts clear's the rub for the next shot.

Did you happen to take a picture of the internals so we can likeky get a better diagnosis?

No pic taken though that is a good idea. Im just going to go with it for now and see if it smooths out some. I know my Leshiy classic had a really nasty trigger for a while, and it improved with time.

 

[Louie4321]

I've already got a Sidewinder .30 that I love. I just ordered the .30 Mordax since I've already got 5 magazines, this way it will keep things simple. I'll let you folks know how it goes!



I'm very interested in getting a a handguard like this, it looks perfect! I would like the details for getting one if they are available, please.
Edit- Oops just saw the email you posted on the previous page, I'll try that.

We just created a Western Mordax site on Facebook and need members

 

[Louie4321]

Dressed for action!

Thanks to @Louie4321 for the awesome handguard!

Yeah the other accessories are from Amazon but I already overspent my budget and I can improve them later. The reflex site works great and so does the little lazer/flashlight combo I have mounted on the side.

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I forgot to get an angle shot of the other side with the light in this set but here's one from earlier in full light (didn't like the light quality for the photos)

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Are you or did you get the long strike kit? I have the .25 and have been waiting for a month (on pre order). The .22 and .30 are available now

 

[MichaelHunt]

Are you or did you get the long strike kit? I have the .25 and have been waiting for a month (on pre order). The .22 and .30 are available now

No, I'm interested in keeping my Mordax compact as it is my go-to backpack gun now. Also I have the Sidewinder for more power and shot count. I looked up the kit out of curiosity though and it seems pretty good. I have to say I saw the walnut cheek rest and grip that AoA is offering look nice.
I've added the Air Venturi Wingman tank which fits nicely in my backpack as well and has been great for quick refills. I'm considering a longer air tube for the tank so I can tether to it from my backpack.

 

[Louie4321]

No, I'm interested in keeping my Mordax compact as it is my go-to backpack gun now. Also I have the Sidewinder for more power and shot count. I looked up the kit out of curiosity though and it seems pretty good. I have to say I saw the walnut cheek rest and grip that AoA is offering look nice.
I've added the Air Venturi Wingman tank which fits nicely in my backpack as well and has been great for quick refills. I'm considering a longer air tube for the tank so I can tether to it from my backpack.

Oh you mean the air whip. Now that would be nice. They only give you a meter long whip if you're lucky. My friend and I made a western mordax Facebook members only account. Its free to join if your interested. This way we can share ammo accuracy, breakdown fixes, etc.

 

[Louie4321]

Oh you mean the air whip. Now that would be nice. They only give you a meter long whip if you're lucky. My friend and I made a western mordax Facebook members only account. Its free to join if your interested. This way we can share ammo accuracy, breakdown fixes, etc.

75fpe out of this little guy. Crazy

 

[MichaelHunt]

75fpe out of this little guy. CrazyView attachment 548624

That fpe is pretty sweet. I prefer having removable magazines over extra power though.

 

[MichaelHunt]

Oh you mean the air whip. Now that would be nice. They only give you a meter long whip if you're lucky. My friend and I made a western mordax Facebook members only account. Its free to join if your interested. This way we can share ammo accuracy, breakdown fixes, etc.

I joined the group

 

[Sawney Bean]

That fpe is pretty sweet. I prefer having removable magazines over extra power though.

I’m a little torn over the fixed vs removable magazines. Having a removable magazine is a huge advantage, but in these kinds of hammerless guns the magazines are essentially revolver cylinders and are quite expensive and also a very large portion of the noise they produce seems to be caused by air blow by from the gaps surrounding the magazine. With a fixed magazine the tolerances can be tighter and can limit this. Also, it seems that loading is much easier on guns with a pistol configuration than with bullpups.

 

[rootdude]

I’m a little torn over the fixed vs removable magazines. Having a removable magazine is a huge advantage, but in these kinds of hammerless guns the magazines are essentially revolver cylinders and are quite expensive and also a very large portion of the noise they produce seems to be caused by air blow by from the gaps surrounding the magazine. With a fixed magazine the tolerances can be tighter and can limit this. Also, it seems that loading is much easier on guns with a pistol configuration than with bullpups.

In practice it’s a little different.

I have three GK1s and a Mordax with two mags so I have a fair bit of experience with this.

IMHO, it takes me a lot longer to load a GK1 than a Mordax magazine. That should be plenty obvious.

They both have flaws.

GK1 - the loading gate allows only two or three pellets to be loaded with each rotation of the magazine. The lever to release the magazine to rotate gets in the way (for me) to hold the gun naturally when loading. Sometimes it shuts inadvertently when loading and has to be re-opened. I love the clicky sound the GK1 mag makes when rotating it. Reminds me of the old style Navy Revolvers from the last century!

Mordax - getting the magazine seated once loaded and closing the loading lever is fiddly. As time has passed I’ve become better at getting it right, it takes practice. No question loading the magazine with pellets is far easier and more efficient.

Also, I should mention that the magazine on the Mordax is slightly longer to accommodate even some of the longer slugs (like the AEA Long Range Masters at 11mm) fit like a glove and hit harder than any other .22 slug you can find.

So, like everything there’s a trade off.

I chose both because I love the aesthetics of both.

 

[Louie4321]

I’m a little torn over the fixed vs removable magazines. Having a removable magazine is a huge advantage, but in these kinds of hammerless guns the magazines are essentially revolver cylinders and are quite expensive and also a very large portion of the noise they produce seems to be caused by air blow by from the gaps surrounding the magazine. With a fixed magazine the tolerances can be tighter and can limit this. Also, it seems that loading is much easier on guns with a pistol configuration than with bullpups.

I agree that it's better to have a removable mag for jams. Also you can pre load a few before you go out shooting

 

[Sawney Bean]

In practice it’s a little different.

I have three GK1s and a Mordax with two mags so I have a fair bit of experience with this.

IMHO, it takes me a lot longer to load a GK1 than a Mordax magazine. That should be plenty obvious.

They both have flaws.

GK1 - the loading gate allows only two or three pellets to be loaded with each rotation of the magazine. The lever to release the magazine to rotate gets in the way (for me) to hold the gun naturally when loading. Sometimes it shuts inadvertently when loading and has to be re-opened. I love the clicky sound the GK1 mag makes when rotating it. Reminds me of the old style Navy Revolvers from the last century!

Mordax - getting the magazine seated once loaded and closing the loading lever is fiddly. As time has passed I’ve become better at getting it right, it takes practice. No question loading the magazine with pellets is far easier and more efficient.

Also, I should mention that the magazine on the Mordax is slightly longer to accommodate even some of the longer slugs (like the AEA Long Range Masters at 11mm) fit like a glove and hit harder than any other .22 slug you can find.

So, like everything there’s a trade off.

I chose both because I love the aesthetics of both.

A removable magazine is definitely easier to load, and the Sidewinder/Mordax magazines are easier to load than most.

I find that the fixed magazine on the GK1 however is much easier to load than the fixed magazine on the K1. Having the magazine closer to your hand just makes it much less awkward and I find that I really don't mind loading the magazine on the GK1 much.

The problem with the magazines on the Sidewinder or the Mordax is their very high cost and relatively low capacity. They really need to come up with a precise stick or belt feed mechanism as having a 12 or 15 round capacity on a select fire gun is pretty ridiculous.

 

[MichaelHunt]

As Swaney says inserting the mags is a little fiddley as you have to get the gear on the magazine to mesh with the one in the action, a little practice and I can do it easily one handed. If you're shooting it full auto all the time the magazine capacity is definitely limiting. Yeah the magazines are expensive but I bought 4 extra to share between my 2 guns so now I have a small pile of expensive titanium .30 cal magazines. I initially bought them just for the Sidewinder as it shoots around 60 shots per charge with my current settings so I could shoot them all out at the range and then reload as the gun filled on the compressor. Being able to easily prove the gun 100% unloaded is pretty important to me, I've found.

 

[Sawney Bean]

As Swaney says inserting the mags is a little fiddley as you have to get the gear on the magazine to mesh with the one in the action, a little practice and I can do it easily one handed. If you're shooting it full auto all the time the magazine capacity is definitely limiting. Yeah the magazines are expensive but I bought 4 extra to share between my 2 guns so now I have a small pile of expensive titanium .30 cal magazines. I initially bought them just for the Sidewinder as it shoots around 60 shots per charge with my current settings so I could shoot them all out at the range and then reload as the gun filled on the compressor. Being able to easily prove the gun 100% unloaded is pretty important to me, I've found.

I absolutely agree about the safety factor of removable magazines. I've accumulated 6 .30 Sidewinder magazines and at some point I'd like to get a Mordax. Given it's lower capacity I'd prefer one in .22, but there's no way I'm going to spend that much on magazines a second time.

 

[Louie4321]

I absolutely agree about the safety factor of removable magazines. I've accumulated 6 .30 Sidewinder magazines and at some point I'd like to get a Mordax. Given it's lower capacity I'd prefer one in .22, but there's no way I'm going to spend that much on magazines a second time.

Have you guys heard of Western making a carbon fiber bottle for the Mordax? Yea that damn magazine frustrates me but I am getting better.

 

[MichaelHunt]

Have you guys heard of Western making a carbon fiber bottle for the Mordax? Yea that damn magazine frustrates me but I am getting better.

I haven't yet. What would be the advantage of a carbon fiber bottle?

 

[Louie4321]

My stepdaughter came along with me today to give me a hand getting my Mordax sighted in and to take the chronometer readings. It was way crowded at the range so we went to the river instead. Much nicer! Lovely day out today.

I got it sighted in at 25 yards for now and its a straight shooter.

You can see I had to add a rubber band mod to the extra magazine holder in the stock extender. It holds the magazines ok but if you bump it hard enough the magazine will pop out leaving its lid behind and dump out pellets. Might be room for a little design improvement there. You can also see my cheap little chronometer, but it did the trick. The inexpensive reflex sight from Amazon works well too.

For getting the chrono, I used the 3 kinds of projectiles I have on hand: 44.75gr JSB Diabolo Hades, 50.15gr JSB Diabolo Exact, and some 60.80gr Rifle Slug Series slugs. I started each magazine at 250 bar, the line between the green and the yellow section of the pressure gauge.
It looks like it likes those Hades pellets a lot which is good because so do I. The readings I got are right in line for factory settings from the chart in the handbook. I'm pretty happy where it is set now for the time being. Later I'll see what sort of energy I can get with it turned up, but I wouldn't be surprised for it to be close to what Western's chart suggests. I am really happy with this gun. Its so light, and I can easily get small game and big birds with it. Full auto is awesome too.

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As Swaney says inserting the mags is a little fiddley as you have to get the gear on the magazine to mesh with the one in the action, a little practice and I can do it easily one handed. If you're shooting it full auto all the time the magazine capacity is definitely limiting. Yeah the magazines are expensive but I bought 4 extra to share between my 2 guns so now I have a small pile of expensive titanium .30 cal magazines. I initially bought them just for the Sidewinder as it shoots around 60 shots per charge with my current settings so I could shoot them all out at the range and then reload as the gun filled on the compressor. Being able to easily prove the gun 100% unloaded is pretty important to me, I've found.

It wont store mags but what a difference. Plenty of length and line of sight. The best thing is the adapter has a lock tab so you can pull the stock right off in a second. Obviously you can get a better stock. I just bought a cheap one to see if it worked. Yes its not made of metal but buckrail gives you 100% replacement guaranteed.

I haven't yet. What would be the advantage of a carbon fiber bottle?

The only thing I can think of is having a drop down adapter with a cf bottle like edguns. Question: You said you joined the mordax Facebook but I didn't see you. Im just making sure you haven't been blocked.