Well Beerthief I notmally agree with you on most everything but here is a true story. I started a springer benchrest match 2 years sgo once a month. I have had from 6 to 14 shooters, averaging about 10. Through this forum I have had roughly 15 inquiries, multiple phone conversasions with some, many promises I am coming.......to date not one of those have came. Despite offers to let them shot one of our guns if they feel undegunned, offers to meet them on a day prior to a match so they can try the indoor range, nothing seems to get them to give it a shot. So where did the 14 shooters come from. I recruited the first couple from guys I have shot other disciplines with over the years, then we found a group shooting about 40 miles away and went to shoot with them and they come shoot with us. But those who have seen the ads, match results, conversations on this forum, while curious they never show up. It seems the PvP shooter enjoy competing but the spring guys not so much. So maybe the folks running matches like the Pyrmid Air Match are aware the spring guys won't leave the back yard?