Huben Latest GK1 wunderpistol wonderment

[AirNGasman]

What a wonderful read! I'm a wee bit younger than you so my memory begins with the Beeman P1. I remember being amazed at this power when it was introduced.

Quick question if I may. GIven that you won state and nationals, you are likely well versed on the GK1 accuracy. Have you tested it at 50 yards and 100 yards range, and can comment as to it's accuracy potential? Is MOA within its capability at that kind of distances?

Thanks for any insight.

Given my shooting competition experience and also having done more serious air pistol accuracy testing at 50 yards with more tack-driving powerful air pistols than probably anyone else, think I approach accuracy potentials about as closely as human hands can. But when I talk about accuracy, unless stated otherwise I'm talking about calculated AVERAGE accuracy of multiple, consecutive, five-shot groups (at least 3 groups, usually 5 or more); not the best group, no cherry picking groups, no throwing out fliers or bad groups.

The best average accuracy I've gotten with air pistols at 50 yards has been .66 to .67" center-to-center (call it 2/3"); that with four relatively powerful air pistols of 10 to 20+ foot pounds. All achieved occasional half-inch/half-MOA groups. My GK1 is not that accurate.

On one hand one can consider 3/4 - 1" GK1 average groups at 50 yards almost as acurate as 1/2 to 2/3"; on the other hand, not nearly as accurate. I consider it almost as accurate for all practical purposes. But not for Field Target competition. Neither is the GK1 an FT pistol in other ways; too small, too light, and not a competition-worthy trigger. No, the GK1 doesn't have MOA accuracy capability. But neither is that realistic at 50 to 100 yards with any air pistol (especially 100 yards).

But as a hunting air pistol the GK1 is pretty much in a class all its own. Nevertheless, 75 yards is extreme small game pistol range; be it with air or fire powered handgun. My .221 Fireball 10" barreled Contender pistol averages 3/4 to one MOA at 100 yards from sand-bagged bench-rest every time... but humans can't in hunting situations (except as a fluke).

I consider starling-sized game to 75 yards to be stretching GK1 accuracy limits, but have achieved that more than once. "Your mileage might vary."

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[JungleShooter]

Given my shooting competition experience and also having done more serious air pistol accuracy testing at 50 yards with more tack-driving powerful air pistols than probably anyone else, think I approach accuracy potentials about as closely as human hands can. But when I talk about accuracy, unless stated otherwise I'm talking about calculated AVERAGE accuracy of multiple, consecutive, five-shot groups (at least 3 groups, usually 5 or more); not the best group, no cherry picking groups, no throwing out fliers or bad groups.

The best average accuracy I've gotten with air pistols at 50 yards has been .66 to .67" center-to-center (call it 2/3"); that with four relatively powerful air pistols of 10 to 20+ foot pounds. All achieved occasional half-inch/half-MOA groups. My GK1 is not that accurate.

On one hand one can consider 3/4 - 1" GK1 average groups at 50 yards almost as acurate as 1/2 to 2/3"; on the other hand, not nearly as accurate. I consider it almost as accurate for all practical purposes. But not for Field Target competition. Neither is the GK1 an FT pistol in other ways; too small, too light, and not a competition-worthy trigger. No, the GK1 doesn't have MOA accuracy capability. But neither is that realistic at 50 to 100 yards with any air pistol (especially 100 yards).

But as a hunting air pistol the GK1 is pretty much in a class all its own. Nevertheless, 75 yards is extreme small game pistol range; be it with air or fire powered handgun. My .221 Fireball 10" barreled Contender pistol averages 3/4 to one MOA at 100 yards from sand-bagged bench-rest every time... but humans can't in hunting situations (except as a fluke).

I consider starling-sized game to 75 yards to be stretching GK1 accuracy limits, but have achieved that more than once. "Your mileage might vary."

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Ron,

you're awesome.

And I mean it.


AGN has some very cool people.... ️

Matthias

 

[Ultralight]

Given my shooting competition experience and also having done more serious air pistol accuracy testing at 50 yards with more tack-driving powerful air pistols than probably anyone else, think I approach accuracy potentials about as closely as human hands can. But when I talk about accuracy, unless stated otherwise I'm talking about calculated AVERAGE accuracy of multiple, consecutive, five-shot groups (at least 3 groups, usually 5 or more); not the best group, no cherry picking groups, no throwing out fliers or bad groups.

The best average accuracy I've gotten with air pistols at 50 yards has been .66 to .67" center-to-center (call it 2/3"); that with four relatively powerful air pistols of 10 to 20+ foot pounds. All achieved occasional half-inch/half-MOA groups. My GK1 is not that accurate.

On one hand one can consider 3/4 - 1" GK1 average groups at 50 yards almost as acurate as 1/2 to 2/3"; on the other hand, not nearly as accurate. I consider it almost as accurate for all practical purposes. But not for Field Target competition. Neither is the GK1 an FT pistol in other ways; too small, too light, and not a competition-worthy trigger. No, the GK1 doesn't have MOA accuracy capability. But neither is that realistic at 50 to 100 yards with any air pistol (especially 100 yards).

But as a hunting air pistol the GK1 is pretty much in a class all its own. Nevertheless, 75 yards is extreme small game pistol range; be it with air or fire powered handgun. My .221 Fireball 10" barreled Contender pistol averages 3/4 to one MOA at 100 yards from sand-bagged bench-rest every time... but humans can't in hunting situations (except as a fluke).

I consider starling-sized game to 75 yards to be stretching GK1 accuracy limits, but have achieved that more than once. "Your mileage might vary."

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Thank you! As JungleShooter commented, "Awesome."

Given that you have forgotten more than I'll ever learn about airgun accuracy, your insights are invaluable so that I know the outer limits of the GK1. I see many convert it to a carbine format with the shoulder stock and given the 40-60 ft-lbs power, I wondered if perhaps100 yards is achievable for hunting smallish game birds.

May I ask if your accuracy test is for the .22 or .25 GK1? Or both? And would one caliber be clearly more accurate over the 50-100 yard range, each with optimum pellets?

Thanks again! Back to the Beeman P1. In those pre-internet days, I remember poring over that Beeman catalog, reading every word from the first to last page. I probably still have some of the catalogs stashed somewhere.