30-Yard Challenge

Ok, with the WRABF scoring Dia. I measured.2200? This is with out plastic magnifier because it gives me a more accurate reading. I also use the .177 plug for all my scoring. I will start using a .22 plug with the turned down scoring flange of .2160 Mike N. Plug I turned down to make sure I’m in compliance?
I need to start getting a better handle on what I’m doing because I’m shorting myself on close calls… I do have micrometers which I need to use instead of calipers for accuracy! I will remeasure.
 
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Ok, with the WRABF scoring Dia. I measured.2200? This is with out plastic magnifier because it gives me a more accurate reading. I also use the .177 plug for all my scoring. I will start using a .22 plug with the turned down scoring flange of .2160 Mike N. Plug I turned down to make sure I’m in compliance?
I need to start getting a better handle on what I’m doing because I’m shorting myself on close calls… I do have micrometers which I need to use instead of calipers for accuracy!
WRABF/ERABSF NSRA .22A scoring pulgs with a flange diameter of .224. As a “world standard”, we should all agree on one scoring plug diameter to make it “fair or equal” to all the shooters around the world when it comes to scoring. If your flange diameter is smaller than the normal/common E-Z plugs, then you are at a loss and at a disadvantage.
 
Nice shooting to you Tommy and the rest of you boys - some great scores being submitted.

@Tommy - did you shoot the 199 17X with the .177;TM1000 or the .22 Taipan? The card says the TM1000 but you writeup says the Taipan…

Thanks Ed. I just edited and corrected my original post to reflect the 199-17X was shot with the RAW .177. 👌👌
 
TheAirgunnero, I just tuned a scoring plug exactly the dimensions you show on your Mic.
My flange = .22170 ( not sure my lathe is accurate enough to get to exactly that .22150 ? )and will use this from now on for scoring. Note: this is still below the .2224
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Here in my country we follow the WRABF/ERABSFscoring system. Scoring plug flange diameter must be .224” when scoring .177 - .22 cal targets but we use the undersized ISSF E-Z scoring plugs by Gehmann
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Since I have poor eyesight even with my eyeglasses on, I purchased a digital microscope that has an HDMI output for wide screen TV, can both take photos and videos in UHD. I am one of the official scorers during tournaments due to my strictness in scoring and no one can overturn or contest my decision. 😆
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Official WRABF/ERABSF scoring plug is only available for the UK market! 😭
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My .22 scoring plug from Freeland’s measures exactly the same as Ricky’s:

.2215” - Scoring lip
.1970” - Flat part of long flange

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Finally got some reasonable wind conditions yesterday morning. I shot three 30-Masters cards with the FX Dreamline Classic. Wind increased by noon and got too strong for Challenge shooting.

Leaderboard Submission:
30-Masters: 197 13X
Rifle: FX Dreamline Classic .177 (500mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 902-905fps
Scope: Athlon Midas Tac FFP 6x24 @24x

It beats the 196 I currently have on the 30-Masters leaderboard with the Dreamline Classic.

I spent today battling ridiculous winds shooting the “Big Cat” (.30 FX Wildcat Mk2 700mm) at 100 yards. The Big Cat did well despite the huge winds (9mph gusts to 24mph). It had steady velocity over 40+ shots of 895-905fps using FX 44g. It had 10-shot groups of 2” and 2.5” despite the wind. Hopefully will get a good wind conditions day soon and I can shoot for score at 100.

-Ed

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Perhaps the guys shooting USARB, National Benchrest League N50, Extreme Benchrest/EBR, BR UK, UK Benchrest, etc… all need the larger .224 scoring plug…

… cause they’re not as good as our guys shooting our 30 and 40 yard Challenges?

😉

You guys have been submitting some awesome scores recently!!

Keep getting that lead downrange!

-Ed
 
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Nice shooting Joe! That is a killer card for a .177 at 40 yds. Looks like that RAW is dialed in. How fast were you shooting the 13.4gr pellets? Also, what scope are you using and at what power? That info helps populate all the info on the leader board. I find it useful to see what other shooters are using and doing to get great scores.

I am still in the tuning process on my DRS Classic 500mm .177. I am having trouble with the 22 round .177 FX magazines from my Crowns sliding out of the DRS. They line up fine but are not held in tightly by the one rubber o-ring. The one mini-Mag that came with the DRS (and uses 2 o-rings) stays in better but doesn't feed the rounds any better. Using my calipers I get 15.3mm for the mag opening on the DRS, but 15.0mm on the Crown MkII. Hum, that's an 11 thou difference. I would think that the computer controlled milling machines at FX should be good to 2 or 3 thou.

Despite that difficulty I am posting, for the Leaderboard, my latest DRS 30 yd Challenge - 196 - 12x

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I am going to work on the barrel some more to see if I can get rid of the occasional flyers that keep showing up (2nd shot on #4). Ed has inspired me to spend the effort to really get the barrel inlet and inside well polished with all edges smoothed.

This next photo is of the new stock for the DRS. This is an American Walnut Caro stock from FORM Stocks in the UK. The adjustable cheek riser wes desperately needed and the full length Anshutz UIT rail on the forstock makes it easy to add my palm rest (for HFT) and a Pic rail for target shooting.
I 3D printed an adapter for the butt stock to allow me to use the Saber Tactical monopod.

Cheers,
Greg
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That Form stock on your DRS is beautiful Greg! I see that you are going “all-in” to get the DRS shooting .177 pellets at competition level.

In theory, the DRS platform should outperform the legacy Dreamline/Crown platforms - especially the improved barrel rigidity. The challenge is getting the big valving/porting to play well with pellets, especially .177, as I believe the DRS platform was designed with slug performance in mind.
 
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My .22 scoring plug from Freeland’s measures exactly the same as Ricky’s:

.2215” - Scoring lip
.1970” - Flat part of long flange

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FWIW - got out my calipers today

Ed, Ricky - I also got the same exact measurements as both of you with our current .224 30 Y Challenge Scoring plug. I.e., .221”

I also measured the N50 .22 cal scoring plug, and it is smaller at .2095” See pics.

I took out an old Pro Class N50 target whereby I incorrectly scored an ‘X’, just to illustrate how easy it is to make a mistake. If you zoom in closely on bull #10, you will see that with the plug I have some white space between the X dot and the scoring plug. It should be a ‘10’ and not a 10X!

Anyway, in the spirit of compliance and fairness, I’m totally ok if we change or keep the current smaller .22 scoring plug.

For this “informal semi competitive target challenge,” either .22 scoring plug is OK, but we should standardize on whatever is decided.

Tom

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That Form stock on your DRS is beautiful Greg! I see that you are going “all-in” to get the DRS shooting .177 pellets at competition level.

In theory, the DRS platform should outperform the legacy Dreamline/Crown platforms - especially the improved barrel rigidity. The challenge is getting the big valving/porting to play well with pellets, especially .177, as I believe the DRS platform was designed with slug performance in mind.
You called it Ed! I really like how it feels. The DRS is better balanced than the Crown and isn't as top heavy when shooting off hand. This makes it a bit easier to keep on target . Also it is more than 2 lbs lighter than the Crown in basically the same configuration. That also helps with the off hand shooting.

In Field Target, what separates the podium shooters from the "just really good" shooters is how well you shoot the kneeling and offhand lanes. My top level performance at the Pyramid Cup the second day was because I went 6 for 8 on the two forced position lanes (I shot both offhand as my hip and knee replacements make getting into a stable kneeling position impossible). I was 3 for 8 on the first day. That three point difference was enough to keep me off the podium. If I could consistently shoot 75-80% on the forced position lanes I would be in really good shape as I am around 90% for the other lanes (depending on level of wind obviously).

Compared to the 30/40/50yd challenges, regular field targets are way more forgiving. The skill development involved in shooting the Challenge well directly translates to shooting the non-forced positions well in field target.

Cheers,
Greg
 
You called it Ed! I really like how it feels. The DRS is better balanced than the Crown and isn't as top heavy when shooting off hand. This makes it a bit easier to keep on target . Also it is more than 2 lbs lighter than the Crown in basically the same configuration. That also helps with the off hand shooting.

In Field Target, what separates the podium shooters from the "just really good" shooters is how well you shoot the kneeling and offhand lanes. My top level performance at the Pyramid Cup the second day was because I went 6 for 8 on the two forced position lanes (I shot both offhand as my hip and knee replacements make getting into a stable kneeling position impossible). I was 3 for 8 on the first day. That three point difference was enough to keep me off the podium. If I could consistently shoot 75-80% on the forced position lanes I would be in really good shape as I am around 90% for the other lanes (depending on level of wind obviously).

Compared to the 30/40/50yd challenges, regular field targets are way more forgiving. The skill development involved in shooting the Challenge well directly translates to shooting the non-forced positions well in field target.

Cheers,
Greg

“The skill development involved in shooting the Challenge well directly translates to shooting the non-forced positions well in field target.”

Greg, your last sentence captures it all. I think it has helped in many respects:
I.e., enhance hunting accuracy, make us better bench shooters, better wind readers, more patient and knowing when to shoot or wait, better trigger follow through techniques, on and on….

The sharing of information by many of the participants is invaluable.
 

100 Yards - in strong wind - with pellets​


I'm documenting this for my reference - I thought I'd share this with you guys - in case you are interested...

I was shooting at 100 yards on Friday at my brother's house. He lives in the middle of the woods and is an avid hunter/fisherman. We mapped out a 100 yard range outside his back door - named it the "Pete Gillis Memorial Range" - in honor of our Dad, an avid outdoorsman.

I was supposed to get to my brother's at 8:30am, knowing that the wind would get bad by noon. I overslept due to bourbon consumption and showed up at 10:30am. The wind was already kicking up. My brother informed that it was very calm at 8am - serves me right for drinking.

It was so windy (weather app reported gusts to 30mph - and that could have been understated) but I wanted to play with the new-to-me .30 Wildcat Mk 2. It has some history as a consistent 1.25" 5-shot group performer at 100 yards.

The rifle shoots insane sub-Moa (.5") 5-shot groups at 50 yards at my house. I had made some hammer spring adjustments at home and it chronoed a perfect 900fps when I got to my brother's - so at least I got that right.

The wind was switching, as all high wind does, but it was mostly L to R. I used just two wind flags at 25 and 75 yards - this was just a casual shoot to sight-in/dial-in the rifle at 100, not to shoot for score. I had to keep chasing my hat and my large cardboard targets - the wind kept blowing them away, lol.

Anyways, I thought the rifle did fantastic in the conditions. I've shot in 100-yard benchrest competitions and they never had wind this bad. Note that the vertical spreads were very reasonable (I thought) in windy conditions. A few shots jumped high or low - likely because the wind was slightly headwind or tailwind as well as L to R on those shots.

I'm showing you my two "10-shot" targets (one is 11 and one is 8 after some sight-in shots). I'm showing you the targets as I saw them and then marked up versions that give you the details of what was happening.

One interesting thing is that I fell off the reg on the paper plate target while shooting the 4 sight-in shots (walking them towards target - 3" splatter). Note the 1.5" drop of the off-reg shot of 865fps. At 30 yards, a 30fps drop in velocity might show as 1/4" at most. It was great to have an air tank with me. TommyB inspired my to get a tank - it makes filling when at the range very convenient.

Despite the bad shooting conditions, I hung in there and waited for lulls in the wind when the flags were not moving real fast - and both flags were pointing Right. Still, it was really tough to judge.

Note also on the cardboard target that I made "reference marks". I knew I'd have to hold left quite a bit and my Sightron 45X scope is just a simple thin crosshair. Without target rings to hold off on, I thought to make myself a couple marks on the target - so I don't appear to be that hung over, lol.

For you guys that shoot almost always inside 50 yards, shooting 100 yards is a different ball game and 100 yards in heavy wind is all about patience. I sometimes would have 5 minutes between shots. If you just ignore the wind, pellets - even .30 cal 44g - will just blow all over the place. The flat part of the paper plate is about 5.5" diameter. Put one out at 100 yards sometimes and note how small it looks, lol.

Anyways, I plan to do a bunch of 100 yard shoots at my brother's this year. It gives me a chance to see him as well as play with some of my bigger caliber air rifles - really stretch them out.

If any of our shooter's here have any questions about shooting at 100, feel free to reach out. I'm no expert, but I can offer what I've experienced to date. Most accurate PCPs shooting 25+ grain pellets can do well out to 75 yards in decent wind conditions. Beyond 75-80 yards things get a lot different.

-Ed
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100 Yards - in strong wind - with pellets​


I'm documenting this for my reference - I thought I'd share this with you guys - in case you are interested...

I was shooting at 100 yards on Friday at my brother's house. He lives in the middle of the woods and is an avid hunter/fisherman. We mapped out a 100 yard range outside his back door - named it the "Pete Gillis Memorial Range" - in honor of our Dad, an avid outdoorsman.

I was supposed to get to my brother's at 8:30am, knowing that the wind would get bad by noon. I overslept due to bourbon consumption and showed up at 10:30am. The wind was already kicking up. My brother informed that it was very calm at 8am - serves me right for drinking.

It was so windy (weather app reported gusts to 30mph - and that could have been understated) but I wanted to play with the new-to-me .30 Wildcat Mk 2. It has some history as a consistent 1.25" 5-shot group performer at 100 yards.

The rifle shoots insane sub-Moa (.5") 5-shot groups at 50 yards at my house. I had made some hammer spring adjustments at home and it chronoed a perfect 900fps when I got to my brother's - so at least I got that right.

The wind was switching, as all high wind does, but it was mostly L to R. I used just two wind flags at 25 and 75 yards - this was just a casual shoot to sight-in/dial-in the rifle at 100, not to shoot for score. I had to keep chasing my hat and my large cardboard targets - the wind kept blowing them away, lol.

Anyways, I thought the rifle did fantastic in the conditions. I've shot in 100-yard benchrest competitions and they never had wind this bad. Note that the vertical spreads were very reasonable (I thought) in windy conditions. A few shots jumped high or low - likely because the wind was slightly headwind or tailwind as well as L to R on those shots.

I'm showing you my two "10-shot" targets (one is 11 and one is 8 after some sight-in shots). I'm showing you the targets as I saw them and then marked up versions that give you the details of what was happening.

One interesting thing is that I fell off the reg on the paper plate target while shooting the 4 sight-in shots (walking them towards target - 3" splatter). Note the 1.5" drop of the off-reg shot of 865fps. At 30 yards, a 30fps drop in velocity might show as 1/4" at most. It was great to have an air tank with me. TommyB inspired my to get a tank - it makes filling when at the range very convenient.

Despite the bad shooting conditions, I hung in there and waited for lulls in the wind when the flags were not moving real fast - and both flags were pointing Right. Still, it was really tough to judge.

Note also on the cardboard target that I made "reference marks". I knew I'd have to hold left quite a bit and my Sightron 45X scope is just a simple thin crosshair. Without target rings to hold off on, I thought to make myself a couple marks on the target - so I don't appear to be that hung over, lol.

For you guys that shoot almost always inside 50 yards, shooting 100 yards is a different ball game and 100 yards in heavy wind is all about patience. I sometimes would have 5 minutes between shots. If you just ignore the wind, pellets - even .30 cal 44g - will just blow all over the place. The flat part of the paper plate is about 5.5" diameter. Put one out at 100 yards sometimes and note how small it looks, lol.

Anyways, I plan to do a bunch of 100 yard shoots at my brother's this year. It gives me a chance to see him as well as play with some of my bigger caliber air rifles - really stretch them out.

If any of our shooter's here have any questions about shooting at 100, feel free to reach out. I'm no expert, but I can offer what I've experienced to date. Most accurate PCPs shooting 25+ grain pellets can do well out to 75 yards in decent wind conditions. Beyond 75-80 yards things get a lot different.

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Nice write up Ed. 👍

I love shooting 100 yards and beyond but stopped shooting since the place where we usually shoot at is now off limits.

We have an alternative range and we can shoot up to 210 meters but we are only limited to .22 cal 18+gr max during competitions and just a tiny small puff of air will blow the 18+gr off course even at 75 meters. How much more if the targets are 100 meters and beyond. 😆