Me too! I would never be in possession of stuff against the gobaments wishes.Good thing I do not have any of his stuff
DonnyFL is back up
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Maybe I'll look into it, I have a PACER account.I don't see a lot of conclusions being drawn. Speculation yes a bit. Clearly it is not speculating to observe that their site is back up and they are not currently offering moderators. What does that tell us? Well, it tells us that their site was down. Their site is now back up but they are no longer offering moderators.So without speculating we can assume that they are "not in trouble"
. Now here is where the speculation begins, "someone" is probably in trouble
. It may well be someone who lied in an effort to cover his own bad behavior
. That is my speculation. That could easily account for the site going down and coming back up with no moderators being offered in the near term.
Demonstrating honorable intentions is important. I do find it troubling that that wind only blows one way with many of the current crop of public servants but it isn't like we are busting our chops to make their jobs easier the last few years.
I think if the industry circles the wagons around two points, the 2010 case being cited, and the wording of the NFA itself, no case against DFL that is a "general" attack on the industry as a whole can easily succeed. I suppose someone could go to the Federal Court System and pay to do some searches and see what cases are pending in the appropriate court. I decided I wasn't interested enough to actually pay the FED for information which should be made available at no charge to the tax payers, but that's probably just me.
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Yes, "someone" is probably in trouble. Whether or not it is anyone at DonnyFL is a different story.I don't see a lot of conclusions being drawn. Speculation yes a bit. Clearly it is not speculating to observe that their site is back up and they are not currently offering moderators. What does that tell us? Well, it tells us that their site was down. Their site is now back up but they are no longer offering moderators.
Demonstrating honorable intentions is important. I do find it troubling that that wind only blows one way with many of the current crop of public servants but it isn't like we are busting our chops to make their jobs easier the last few years.
I think if the industry circles the wagons around two points, the 2010 case being cited, and the wording of the NFA itself, no case against DFL that is a "general" attack on the industry as a whole can easily succeed. I suppose someone could go to the Federal Court System and pay to do some searches and see what cases are pending in the appropriate court. I decided I wasn't interested enough to actually pay the FED for information which should be made available at no charge to the tax payers, but that's probably just me.
The current state of the law (as I understand it) regarding airgun silencers is centered around intent, hence the "AIRGUN USE ONLY" language. I think the most likely scenario is that someone, somewhere used these Donny's products specifically on something that is not an airgun. I think the alphabet agency involved is probably checking to see if this is something that DonnyFL was ENCOURAGING or ENABLING, which would be illegal. This explains why the website is no longer offering moderators.
If it was just a general crackdown on airgun silencers and deep state operators were going to track down every DonnyFL purchaser, the way it was carried about doesn't make sense. After all, EVERY OTHER silencer/moderator manufacturer is still in business selling these.
Another quick aside, there are foreign silencers that are imported. The customs forms literally say "Airgun Silencers". If there was any question as to the legality of these, I find it hard to believe that tens of thousands of these would be imported, cleared by the US government, and sold on the open market explicitly as airgun sound dampening devices.
I don't have any inside info regarding the situation. This is just what makes the most sense to me. It's disheartening to see a lot of catastrophizing. This could be bad or it could solidify the legality of airgun silencers depending on how this plays out. The NRA fought tooth and nail against bringing Heller to SCOTUS since they (allegedly) thought it would go the other way. It obviously ended up much differently.
Despite all the talk of regulation, I'd like to remind everyone that there has been a significant trend towards INCREASED gun rights in the past 20 years outside of places like NY, CA, NJ, MA, and the like. 25 states have constitutional carry, Heller and Bruen have set precedent for extremely favorable interpretations, and the assault weapons ban was allowed to sunset in '04 and all subsequent attempts have been unsuccessful.
We obviously aren't out of the woods but I find it difficult to believe that there is a lot of political will and capital available for the creation of an "airgun regulation" regime especially given the psychopathic focus on and obsession with certain firearms.
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Looks like a lot of good solid "speculation".
Well done.
I think you are imagining the "catastrophizing". The reaction of the form has generally been very reserved.
Otherwise well done.
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Thank you haha! I guess when I referred to catastrophizing I meant the general attitude on the forum that regulation is inevitable and on the horizon b/c of select fire airguns, silencers etc. Maybe I am I selectively noticing that but it seems like it comes up a lot.
You are right that the reaction to this incident specifically has been pretty tame.
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None of this matters. That group that we cannot even type the acronym for in here can re interpret rules at anytime they feel fit. This wouldn’t be the first time.
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You have to make it matter. That is your job. If you don't want to be ruled you have to stay in control. There's only one good way to stay in control. Stay involved and be heard.
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My favorite quote from Tom Gaylord is, "It doesn’t matter."
I dont own any metal LDC's, period. It doesn't matter what I think or what you think, the alphabet group still makes/enforces what it wants when it wants.
Good luck and Godspeed
I dont own any metal LDC's, period. It doesn't matter what I think or what you think, the alphabet group still makes/enforces what it wants when it wants.
Good luck and Godspeed
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To minimize appearance of intent I don't own any PB's with threaded muzzles plus my two DFL muzzle adapters have inner diameters that are not compatible with any of my PB barrel diameters, made sure of that. Threads are 1/2x20 of course. Best I can do...
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I suppose he could 3D print his monocores instead of CNC'd aluminum. Doubt they would hold up to a big bore is only thing...
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Yes, to my knowledge one of the CZ series bolt action 22lr rifles and the Tec-22 have 1/2"x20 muzzle threads. Probably more but the 28 pitch is industry standard for 22LR. Regards
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I urge anyone who has bought and enjoyed his moderators to go to his site and help him out by buying something that they are still offering. They'll certainly be grateful for the business going towards Christmas.
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