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PCP Rifle  SOLD **Reduced** RTI Prophet Compact .177 with CZ Barrel

Up for sale is my extremely rare RTI Prophet Compact with a CZ .177 Barrel. Rifle was purchased new from AoA in May of 2023. I’m the second owner and rifle was purchased here on AGN. See original post below:


Items included in sale:
RTI Power Plenum - installed
KLS - PRS Buttstock and Bag Rider combo
3 x 15 Round Magazines
RTI Hard Case
All Paperwork
All original parts that were replaced are included.

The gun is in 99% condition, only marks are very slight on picatinny rails where scope and bipod were installed.

Asking $1150 $1025 shipped. PayPal gift or add 3%! Serious Buyers ONLY Please! I've been on AGN for years with tons of positive feedback, so should you! Thanks for looking!

Text or PM for additional information or pics!

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Airgun Ports and Efficiency

What is airgun efficiency? It's calculated based on shot count obtained within a specified pressure range at the average energy over said pressure range. How can we manipulate efficiency?

Efficiency is directly tied to many things, from barrel length, to plenum volume, however the most crucial, and the one I'll discuss briefly is port diameter. Efficiency in itself is a non-linear bell curve, meaning at plateau (peak obtainable fps) it'll be at or near its lowest efficiency, and as you detune / reduce the power of an airgun, the efficiency will climb, that is until you reduce power so much, efficiency will stagnate and then decline due to other losses overcoming the reduction of air being released, primarily, projectile to bore friction, and projectile break away friction.

The further from plateau (peak fps) you tune a gun, the more efficient on air it becomes. Plateau is decided by many factors, but the critical one being discussed which can easily be manipulated via a velocity metering screw, a quarter turn valve, a drill bit, or rotary tool, is the port diameter.

This means, that a .22 cal ported to 70% of bore @ .154" will be less efficient at ANY equal or less power level compared to another otherwise equal .22 cal ported to 85% of the bore @ .187", however, if tuned to its plateau, the 85% bore ported .22 cal will begin to consume more air, as its Mass Flow Rate increases and loss always outpaces gains in efficiency the more energy you attempt to extract from a given airgun.

This does NOT mean your average user should go full bore porting, or even close, without extensive knowledge of an airguns limitations, from loading a pellet without causing damage, to what other obstruction in the system may limit the port diameter equivalency at that particular section of airway.

The caveat to de-tuning further and further from your plateau, is that fps from shot to shot (extreme spread) will likely increase without some sort of mitigation (valve lift limiter, and valve balancing via closing force/opening force ie valve spring/hammer spring balance), due primarily to variance in reg pressure from shot to shot, be it 1-2 bar or even .5 bar, from minor shifts in the energy produced by your hammer strike be it from surface quality, angle of gun, and even sear disengagement inconsistency.

There are two ways (that I am aware of) to calculate efficiency, thermal, and volumetric, however if you were to graph both, the change in efficiency would appear identical. So identical structure, just different numbers which represent said structure, or plots.

Volumetric efficiency is commonly expressed as fpe/ci (or for some, joules/cc), where as thermal efficiency is simply seen as a % value of energy obtained from the overall energy released. Most airguns operate around 25-30% thermal efficiency when tuned well, which translates to approximately 1.3-1.6 fpe/ci.

However, when tuned to absolute plateau, or peak fps, the efficiency is generally .9-1 fpe/ci, or 15-18% thermal efficiency. The difference in power from a 1 fpe/ci tune compared to a 1.3 fpe/ci tune is marginal, between 5-10%, however the difference is efficiency in 30%, meaning you only have to sacrifice around 5% of your plateau to potentially increase your shot count by upwards of 30%. This not only increases efficiency, but also tames the shot cycle, as you will notice less recoil due less air being lost when exiting your muzzle...as well as less overall energy being initially released into the bore.

This means that, if you plateau at 35 fpe, you're ejecting around 233 FPE through your valve, however, most of this energy is lost thermally before the projectile absorbs it, and the remainder is ejected from the barrel as the pellet outpaces it. Insane right? Even when tuned efficiently at 30% thermally, you are losing around 82 fpe and ejecting a total of 117.

The difference in 117 fpe being released from an airgun valve and 233 is, a lot, and there is without a shred of doubt, every single shooter will notice the difference between the two tunes.

Food for thought. Hope you enjoyed the read and have yourself a great day!

-Matt

Optics  NLA Rifle Scopes For Sale

Hello everyone,

I have for sale the following rifle scopes which are just like new condition and in perfect working order. At one time each scope was mounted on a rifle and shot from indoors on a benchrest. These were all purchase new from a dealer and I have all of the original boxes and items that came with each scope. I will ship these double boxed to lower 48 States only.

Please NO TRADES: If you have any questions send me a PM. I have all Positive Feedback here on the Forum.

I have these listed on my personal website so they can be purchased with a credit card.

VectorOptics Tourex 6-24x50, FFP, 30MM, Tube, w/Rings, SCFF-19 , $250.00


Aztec Emerald 5.5-25x50, FFP, 34MM, Tube, w/Rings, AZT-E552550FFP, $435.00


VectorOptics Minotaur 12-60x60, SFP, 34MM Tube, w/Rings, SCOL-40, $375.00

Thank you,
ThomasT
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PCP Rifle  SOLD FX Dreamline Classic, Walnut .177 w/extras, Immaculate

SOLD

Up For Grabs

Dreamline Classic in Walnut .177 w/Power Plenum

Gun is less than 6 months old and is the Latest Version with the Factory Aluminum barrel Band and Externally adjustable Regulator screw.

Gun is in Immaculate shape, and the stock is Gorgeous.

Gun is currently set up shooting the jsb 10.34 just under 20fpe, perfect for F/T

I added a front sling stud to use the UTG screw on Picatinny rail, easily removed for offhand, or if using a rest. (currently Not on the gun)

Extra's included:
STUD Mag Loader System
2 x STUD Magazines (plus the factory mag for a total of 3 mags)
The removable UTG Picatinny Rail mentioned above

Gun will ship in factory box inside outer brown box,

All paperwork included that came with the gun
Fill Probe with machined foster fitting and spare orings for probe included

Asking Price is $950.00 Now $895.00 shipped

Will ship UPS, Signature Required, and Insured within the Lower 48

Payments accepted:
Paypal goods and services - add 3.5%
Paypal Friends and family - no additional fee's
Credit/debt Card over the phone through Square- add 3.5%
Postal Money Order. (Gun will ship After payment clears my bank)
Zelle - no additional fee's

No Trades Accepted

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FX  New FX Panthera Hunter Compact 22 Cal. jamming JSB Hades pellets & wobbly FX Factory Folding AR 15 style Stock adapter.

I purchased the FX Panthera Compact in .22 Cal with the folding Factory Dynamic folding AR 15 style Stock adapter and Sliding UTG Buttstock. The FX Compact was selected and purchased after seeing the video posted by Justin at Utah Air Guns. In fact, Utah Air set it up to match what being demonstrated by Justin's gun.......with the only change being the scope selection. The rifle is lightweight and accurate for my purposed use as a squirrel buster for typical 15 to 50 yard shots. My Panthera Compact was set up and tested by Utah Air to shoot .22 Cal JSB Hades 15.89 pellets at approximately 890 FPS. I purchased 4 extra FX new style with thicker lid magazines too. The gun is accurate and lightweight.

However .......about every 25 or so pellets that are shot.........the feed from the loose pellets in the new style deeper FX magazines lids.... jam...... kinda crooked and will not feed into the hole (breech) of the rifle. When i remove the magazine, the pellet is kinda crooked at an angle in the magazine and stuck. I have to poke it with a wooden chopstick to get it straight and then reinsert the magazine into the rifle.

Does anyone else have this feeding issue?
It seems to me..... there is too much room inside the new style Panthera magazine for the pellets and the thicker lid needs to have a deeper ring inside the cover to reduce the space and keep the pellets held tighter.

I also own a FX Crown .22 Cal with the older thinner magazine lids and have never had this issue shooting the same Hades pellet.

I called Utah Air, and the gentleman I spoke with said they never have this problem with the Panthera.
Hummmmm........

Also, the FX Dynamic Adapter has an excessive amount of wobble, so the Buttstock feels loose in that folding part.. Does anyone have any suggestions how to tighten that up?

Thanks

Does pellet testing make sense?

We're seeing new brands and models of pellets being offered these days which is is great. Competition and choice is always good.

I've seen a couple of videos/blogs where people are evaluating and testing these new pellets in their "known to be accurate" airguns.

This doesn't make sense to me as the airgun is the biggest variable.

If we have a non-adjustable airgun we go through the process of finding the "golden pellet" that is most compatible with that particular airguns' factory tune and harmonics. Sometimes slightly different manufacturing tolerances will even cause airguns off the same production line to prefer different pellets.

With tunable airguns we can adjust the power to get excellent performance with a particular pellet.

Some airguns are less "pellet picky" than others but in both cases (fixed or tunable) we can't randomly choose a pellet and expect it to perform well.

So what is the purpose/value in "testing" pellets? The new pellet being evaluated may or may not be compatible with that particular airgun through no fault of the pellet's design or manufacture.

I think that you can check a pellet's quality to see if it's consistent in weight and size and inspect it for imperfections and cleanliness but you can't "test" it because the testing is only valid for that particular airgun.

Seems to me that the caveat "your milage may vary" strongly applies to pellet testing.

Don't know, am I missing something obvious?

Cheers!

Beeman  New 2027 pistol!

I have a hard time trying to figure out how a $170 pistol can be more fun than a $800 gun , however I’m loving this low cost pistol! I have a number of pistols scopes , both on and air and on on pb and have never been too happy with them. And fiber optic sights on a pistol just doesn’t work for me. So I mounted a BSA compact rifle scope on it and a target never stands a chance! Ha.

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PCP Rifle  SOLD BSA SE Buccaneer .177

BSA SE Buccaneer .177, barrel has Carbon fiber sleeve. Has a Hatsan .25 cal air stripper on it. . Gun has a few small bumps on the belly and a spot on the aitube finish. I would rate it's ov8herall condition @90%. 300.00 shipped PPFF. Can offer a New in the box Hawke 3-9x50IR scope for 95.00 if you buy the gun. tim

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Kalibrgun  Cricket Carbine in 25 caliber

Finally got my new kalibergun cricket out to play. Bought it from Georgia airguns couple weeks ago. 25 caliber. It Likes the JSB Hades 26.54 grains which I shot at 50 yards (target pic attached)
Chronograph results for 12 shots as follows
Avg velocity 977 fps
ES 10
SD 3

Also liked the JTS 33.80 grains. I also shot these at 50 yards. Target pic attached. Chronograph results for 12 shots as follows
Avg velocity 894 fps
ES 4
SD 1

Getting about 40 shots with 260 bar fill. Pretty happy with it.

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JSB HADES vs FX atomic... A WTF for me.

I've used .22 JSB Hades.. now 4 tins of 500 thru my notos. Absolutely pinpoint accurate. This last go around fx atomic were $2 cheaper. And in my experience with .25 the FX 25.4s shoot just as well as the JSB exact kings. Same with the heavy mk1 s.

These atomics are ALL OVER THE PLACE. And it's driving me insane. Even as much as 2" at 10y. What in God's name is going on? It's not the gun because it shoots the JSB EXACT JUMBO, JUMBO HEAVY and JTS dead center 16.08s LIGHTS out. what on earth could be going on?

Has anyone else had this experience? I thought they were the exact same thing
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FX  Finally shot my DRS

So, as the title states, I finally took out my DRS. It's a 600mm walnut .25 caliber. I would've shot it sooner, but I wanted to oil the stock, wax the barrel and install a carbon barrel liner. I was a bit rushed because my kid wanted to shoot his bow this evening. We're doing some shooting for his birthday this weekend so I thought I should at least get it kind of sighted in though.

I paced out about 35 yards, drew a 1/4 inch-ish dot on a miller lite twelve pack box and taped it to a stick I stuck in the ground. Shooting offhand, with 25.4gr FX pellets, my first three shots were about four inches low. My first impressions were that the gun is light. Like really light. It's going to take a little effort to hold it steady. And it's a little loud but I was expecting worse. I'd say borderline backyard friendly, but I live in a small town out in the sticks. That trigger is almost too light as well. But I think I can get used to it. I just wasn't expecting that when I took the first shot.

Then I clicked the scope up. Took a few more shots. Still a little low. Adjusted the scope. Two more shots. Getting close. Couple more clicks. The last four shots were in one rough hole I could cover with a dime. Might need to go up one more click and one to the right, but it's good enough for now.

I guess the bottom line is if this gun continues to shoot like this, it's definitely a keeper and the squirrels should be terrified.

Getting into slugs. What slugs are you shooting?

So just want to know what slugs folks are shooting out there. If you could, can you post what slugs, cal, gun, grouping/range, and price you are shooting. Also if you have links to the slugs you are using, please post.

I've only shoot nsa slugs 36.2 gr .25 cal. Before that was jsb kings mk2 pellets. My gun fx impact mk2 slug liner A, twist 1:20. Grouping 50 yards about an inch. At 100 yards 1 1/2 to 2 in group.

PCP Rifle  SOLD BRK Ghost high power silver addition .30 cal

Selling my Brocock Ghost Silver edition high power in .30 cal. The gun is practically brand new, only been shot maybe 5 times. It comes with a M-LoK Arca Forend Rail, the Biathlon Cocking Lever and the Mamba Lite 14-16x42 scope by MTC Optics’s. Oh and a silver OdB 160s with 1/2 UNF Silencer as well. Everything was purchased through Airguns of Arizona so the scope was mounted and sighted and the gun tested by them. I’m only selling my gun because I just purchased a new home and spent more then I planned on so now I have to sell my toys to furnish my home. This is not a scam and will prove it any way you would like me to. Thanks and I’ll take $1800 for everything but I have to be firm at that price considering it’s brand new and you’re getting over 3k worth of gun. But if you really want a great deal for $2200 I throw in a brand new umarex ready air pcp air gun compressor and a brand new never been attached high capacity filter as well. That’s over $800 worth of stuff so half price. But will sell the compressor separately. And I remind you everything is brand new and anyone in the St Augustine area is welcome to test it before they buy.

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Benjamin Match 177 - Issues?

Now that these have been out for awhile I wanted to get everyones feedback.
Ive shot a crap load of these, maybe 6,000 rounds, and am still not decided.
I have good days and bad. Some days it seems these pellets are dead on and others I get fliers.

This weekend one day I was getting fliers, like 1.5" at 50yds and then I cleaned the barrel and seemed to help a lot.
I had just recently polished this barrel and have only put a few hundred rounds thru it before this cleaning.
I polished it to try and figure out if it would help with the inconsistency.

Ive have people say they tested with weight and head size sort and also got fliers in small batches.
Thinking maybe the harder lead compound is either building up and leaving a deposit somewhere in the barrel causing an issue for other pellets behind it? Ive heard from several people the buildup left behind is hard and not to use these but sometimes they just seem soo good.

Im getting in consistent accuracy results over a long period of time. Either its all my barrels or the one thing they have in common, these pellets.
I know some who refuse to use them and others who love them.

What are others thought and experiences?

Other  HELP - to choose another weapon

Hei kaverit, etsin toista asetta FX Kingin lisäksi ja tarvitsen apua. Kingi on loistava ase, mutta liian tehokas takapihaammuntaan ja nyt haluaisin ostaa kevyen, kompaktin, hiljaisen, luotettavan, mutta tehokkaan noin 35-40 joulen aseen takapihalle. Budjetti, jota olen ajatellut, olisi korkeintaan noin 600 euroa, mutta mieluiten vähemmän. Olen katsellut muutamia malleja, mutta en oikein osaa päättää mikä olisi sopiva, ihanteellisesti ase miellyttäisi myös silmää ja siksi suosin puuta, jos mahdollista.

Harkitsemani mallit ovat:

- Snowpeak P35X 5,5 mm
- Reximex Tormenta 5,5 mm
- Umarex UX Exclusive Notos Carbine 5,5 mm
- BSA Brigadier MB HP 5,5 mm
- JTS Airacuda Max, 5,5 mm

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