What is the shortest the lightest most accurate bullpup 22/177

Has someone pre-mapped (and made a chart or spreadsheet) the best speed for different weight and caliber for JSB specific pellets?
Or
Other brands?
My primary interest is JSB

I realize I need to get this on video, but yesterday I had one of those days where everything just clicked. Last min preparation for EBR this weekend had me swapping my .30 barrel to the Alpha Wolf. The process was about as simple as you can get. I was concerned that the tuning process might be futile this late in the game, but with two hours of light I went down to the range to give it a try. By the end of that short period of time…..

Well the results at 100 yards speak for themselves! I’m under no delusion that I’m going to win with these groups as shooting groups is way different than competing, but at least I know my Daystate Alpha Wolf in .30 can shoot!

Arizona of Bust!

Hey all,

I am currently searching for the Ultimate PCP. I've been shooting an Avenger 22 for a month or so, and am ready to lay down some cash for a high-end rifle.

I don't necessarily have a budget, but if I had to pick a number, including optics, bipod, moderator etc; let's say 4-5k.

I love to plink in my back yard and have done a bit of pesting with my AVA 22. It serves that purpose wonderfully. I am wanting something more powerful, a larger caliber, and with greater long range potential.

So far the FX Maverick Sniper and FX Impact M3 are at the top of my list. I like the bullpup layout, the high power output, adjustability, ability to change calibers/barrel length etc. Also love the aftermarket support and mods available.

I have a bit of funny money coming soon and I want to spoil myself a bit. I will mostly be long range target shooting, but want something effective for small to medium size game/pests as well.

Are there any other rifles comparable to what I'm looking for that I should research? The SK19 is definitely close to what I'm looking for, but availability and aftermarket support seem lacking when compared to FX. Im also not totally sold on the fixed magazine. I do want something I can modify, customize, tinker with.

On the upper limit of my price range is the Daystate Alpha or Delta Wolf. I've heard good things about them, but am not sure how user friendly they would be for a relative newbie.

Also, right now I am thinking of a 25 caliber due to availability and also price of ammo. 30 caliber would be my other consideration.

I would prefer a more tactical styled rifle, but am not totally opposed to a more traditional sporter/carbine layout.

Anyway, what should I get?

Let me try this again.......

I bought this rifle from the shooting coach down at the University of Mississippi. It was sent to me already set up for high level shooting with upgraded sights, MEC bloop tube, riser, weight system, and others. The rifle comes with two cylinders and all equipment needed to fill the cylinders. Rifle has original hard case which it will be shipped in.

I will be honest.. I bought the rifle thinking it was the Field Target version, so I didn't read up on it much and it was my fault. I have shot it off and on in my house during the winter last year and did enjoy it. But now my kids are wanting to come shooting with me more, son is 10 and daughter is 6. So I am looking for something in the 12 ftlb range that will give me a ton of shots in the yard to have fun with the kids.

Hoping to find something to fix my mistake. To be honest I paid $1500 for the rifle with shipping, so looking to get close to that. I am open to offers or trades that are similar in price. Let me know willing to work something out if needed.

Thanks guys!

i am having a problem with my Dreamline .22 cal. I have tried everything i know of to get my ft. per second up where it belongs which is around 880fps. I cannot even get it pass 670fps. Power wheel is wide open--- hammer spring maxed out=== so i backed out 1 1/2 turns. Then i added washers behind spring which did absolutely nothing. I will take all the help i can get. I am all ears. Thanks in advance

Hey guys! I'm going to post this question again , maybe I can get some new scope suggestions.
My Gamo Shadow Maxxim and Benjamin Prowler are both scope chewing mo fos. Wonderful break barrels for the money, but yea, I've gone through about 4 scopes now, I'm done being cheap, taking gambles on scopes. What are you guys running scope wise for your springers ? I don't want to spend $300 on a Leupold or Hawke, budget is about $125-150. I'm thinking the bug buster should be ok, but I really would like an older Nikon, Bushnell, or one of the 90s model scopes that are proven to hold up to springers. I have no clue what models to look for . Any help is appreciated thank you!

What techniques do you use to focus. Especially past 30 or 35 yards?

After much time on the forum, and the help of some members, I'm leaning heavily to a Mk3 Wildcat, likely a Sniper VP or BT.

Between now and Christmas, are they likely to go on sale thru FX or any of the online stores? Is it worth waiting a couple months to see what happens with prices or do they historically never go on sale?

Trvlngnrs

Got this Kral NP03 while waiting on a back ordered gun. It was on sale ( deep discounts ) so I bought it.

A 6x 32mm scope and a buck rail suppressor later…. And for a smidge over 350 total cost this is my new favorite rig !!

Choked barrel ,Power adjuster, excellent ergos, good trigger, fit and finish very good. Even a single shot tray is included

Check out this sexy thing !

Accurate ! So cool

Firstly, I shoot PCP's. Had a Benjamin magnum springer 5 years ago. couldn't control it to my satisfaction and went down the PCP hole. Who here cares? I know, however one of my associates does have a springer gun giving him issues. It's a bear River TPS 1200 I'm guessing from it's stock design, definitely not a 1300. I was told there were accuracy issues that recently came to light. After asking a few questions , found that neglect was most likely issue. I took the gun home and immediately cleaned the totally fouled barrel. tried to shoot using the package 4x32 scope which is too low mag for my blind ass. I changed scopes with my zero tech and managed some groups in spite of the 3 plus pound trigger. I think the gun is a bit rough, was looking to suggest another, but he is stingy with the coin.

now I naturally began researching these style guns and gravitated towards the TX200 models as well as the weihrach HW95 field pro. Also know beeman R9 is no joke either. Unfortunately, I feel they may be too rich for his comfort. Are their good guns in the $250 range so with a decent scope, be sitting at $350-$375?
Preferably with a 2 pound trigger pull.

So I got this in 3 weeks or so ago and sent it out to FX to fix a mag loading problem. Got it back yesterday afternoon, mounted the scope and bipod last night and sighted it in this morning. Only took 6 shots to sight it in and it's a tac-driver and very quiet with that Sumo on there. 22 cal. I built this one as a quick grab backdoor gun for pests.

I have one of these coming in next week but leave to go out of town on the 16th so I’m trying to have a buyer for it when it arrives so I can ship the same day. This is the 800mm kit number 20643. $425 TYD

What do you prefer a (1) hand pump, (2) tank, (3) compressor or (4) tank and compressor as your main fill method ?
Also out of interest what compressor ?
Thanks

I finally got around to setting up the new 350mm .25 barrel that I bought over a year ago. Before installing the new barrel I went ahead and polished the inside of it. Here are my early morning before work results. I was running short on time so I was only able to sight in and shoot another 4 shot group. The range is 25m, jsb25 grain going 770. Considering these are the first groups after polishing and cleaning I am quite happy with the results.

These are and incredible value in adjustable scope Mounts, I have FX and Eagle Vision adj Mounts and these are just as good.

good luck to all you guys going to EBR this year, sure hope a entry wins from this forum, team cc or whoever, GOOD LUCK GUY AND GALS

Hi all!
First post here on the recommendation from a friend who happens to be a member here and we both moderate another forum together.

I recently acquired a Diana 54 Air King T05 in .177. I'm new to this particular model knowing zero about it other than the price was right for some fun - $150. I asked to test shoot the gun prior to purchase and the first shot went off like I expected albeit a lot louder than anticipated. Second shot took some fiddling with getting it to fire. I wiggled the safety, possibly re-cocked (i honestly don't recall) and got the second shot off. That's when I noticed the screw on the table what wasn't there before that second shot. I wound up purchasing it for $100 with that condition and a sloppy cocking lever.

Having poured over the D54 schematics, more specifically the trigger assembly, I just can't put my finger on where this came from. I performed a thorough external inspection and I can't see anything missing from obvious places like front sight, stock mount, trigger guard, scope/base/rings, cocking lever. So my assumption is it came out the gap in the trigger well. Trigger adjustment screw is intact as well. Hmmmmm.....

One suggestion was the scope base screw and I'd tend to agree with that except for the fact I can't fathom how that screw would have been in there and them came out. The scope ring base has it totally covered up.


So..... Any ideas on where this silly thing might have come from?

Here's the screw in question (.177 pellet for reference)

I haven’t used this barrel for 2 years and don’t really see myself using it. I was told it was a custom hammer forge TJ .22 pellet barrel 500mm machined for FX, the inside looks like mirror and very accurate with all the ammo I put into it. The bore seem very tight so only slugs that seems to shoot well re the .216 sized, .217 slugs are simply way too tight. Very good quality barrel that looked like has been lapped and polished from looking at the mirror finish, crown looks great also. The twist rates looks pretty aggressive from the lands, shot lighter .216 slugs quite well. It does not have the sharp edged lands like LW barrels, almost polygon barrel with rounded lands. Haven’t cleaned the barrel once and it’s clean as whistle.


Looking to get $220 shipped.

Having discussed this many times with different people, Franklink and I came up with a tentative plan and this is the first attempt to try to learn if the BARREL really can make a difference in the wind and if so... why and can it be measured. Now understand, this is going to be a somewhat extended learning experience and things will likely change as it progresses.
I chose this title because some have indicated in other threads that they would rather just shoot and are not interested in WHY things are like they are. If it doesn't interest you... PLEASE feel free to go on to other threads. I welcome input as it's a complicated subject but posting to show your indifference isn't productive.
So...
I chose 177 to start as I have many accurate and proven rifles and chose the 10.3 JSB to be shot in all except one even though it may not be the preferred pellet for some. The exception is a 13 ft lb AA RN10 from the mid nineties because it has proven to hang with the 20 ft lb rifles even though it's shooting an 8.4 @ 850. Now this rifle really is the biggest reason that this whole thing has been on my mind for years but Franklink's USFT and my USFT are big parts of the discussion as well. As I get through this, please keep in mind that the targets were shot carefully, but ultimate accuracy was not the goal because the pellet may not be the best for a particular barrel. I have 13 rifle/barrel combos that are proven capable of winning in FT and several would be competitive in Benchrest.
In no particular order, they are: DS Safari with choked and unchoke polygonal barrels, DS Delta Wolf with 17" standard rifled and 23" choked poly, DS Tsar w unchoked poly, DS CRX ST standard rifled, Air Arms RN10 with 19" standard rifled shooting 8.4s, USFT with 23" choked poly, BSA Goldstar with standard rifled, Air Arms ProTarget with 23" standard rifled, DS Wolverine R with 17" standard rifled, Steyr LG100 with original Steyr standard rifled, and Theoben Rapid 17 with 23" standard rifled.
The first attept was to shoot 25 shots at 50 yards with the same poa through all 25. The hope was to see if some would spread more than others as the wind changed. As you can see in the photos, real difference may be difficult to discern but some, like the USFT had much less vertical and the horizontal was somewhat less as well. Peak wind was likely around 8 mph and the 2 outliers on the USFT were during a couple of these gusts. The wind varied pretty much 360 degrees on both cards and is responsible for much of the vertical as all of these are quite consistent.


Now I had a TOUGH time editing the LabRadar data as it is SLOOOOWWWW with many glitches but the process was to delete the faulty data so as not to skew the results . The faulty data results when the tracking process goes awry and there is bad or no data in some of the yardage captures. This was why I chose to do 25 shots... to have plenty remaining after the editing. Please note that this was not an attempt to manipulate data, just get rid of faults.
So @Franklink took the spreadsheet data and processed it for me to give this list of rifles based on best to worst bc. There are some things to note but at this point, I need to sign off and will post more as I can. If you see me at EBR, definitely say hello and give me your thoughts.

In Franklink's spreadsheet, there are 2 entries for the USFT. Note above that 1 is at 923 ft/sec average and the other is at 890 ft/sec average. It's pretty interesting that this corroborates the general wisdom that is disseminated on this site about 890 ft/sec being about the best place for tradeoff between velocity and bc. Also, I intended as much as possible for the rifles to be in the 880 to 900 ft/sec range but some, like the Tsar, were not able to get there and I did not try to tune any extensively. Mostly, this was just where they were from last competition use. Also, the Goldstar data is missing from the current spreadsheet but suffice to say, it was quite good and maybe upper middle of the pack. This was one of my LabRadar fights. With regard to that, there are 2 target sheets because somewhere along the way, all my first files were lost. I tried to center up the shots on the second one better but the wind was blowing quite a bit so not perfect. So I shot 325 shots for record plus sighters on the cards and the LabRadar gives the results in a .csv form that I will have to convert to be able to post. I will try to do this soon as it is interesting.

Another interesting thing is that mostly, the polygonal bores were at the top. Two very strange results were that BlueBaby (ProTarget - wife's previous comp rifle) was so high with an HW standard rifled barrel and that the CRX was so low with a LW standard rifled barrel... both 12 groove. Also, the ProTarget, RN10, Steyr, and USFT had direct loaded pellets with air coming directly from behind rather than below. The remainder are all bolt inserted. Note that the Theoben is an HW standard rifled and the Steyr is the original factory hammer forged standard rifled barrel (absolutely like a mirror inside).

I also wanted to add that some of these really stand out in firing behavior. Overall, I'd give most pleasant to the Wolverine with the Safari at this power very close behind. The Steyr seems to have the fastest "snap" of a shot cycle with RN10 and ProTarget close. The USFT and Theoben seemed slowest by my perception. It was pretty nice sitting down and revisiting these gems since I mostly have been focused on the Delta Wolf for a while.

Bob

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I have .30 RAW tuned around 70fpe for 44.75 JSBs.

Out of general ignorance and the long habit in airgunning of buying ammo just to see how it shoots, I ended up here with these various slugs. In terms of pure precision, the JSB 44.75 is still winning. But I borrowed a Labradar to collect some velocity and BC data to better inform myself on just how good the ballistics might be with the "right" slug.

Test method: Labradar, 100y range, 56F, breezy, rainy. Airgun / microphone trigger for the Labradar, velocities reporting at 10, 20, 30, 60, and 80y. (Yes, those uneven distances bother me too but I didn't notice until later). 5-10 shots per projectile.
Nielson 47, 51, 55gr. These are from 2019 so I don't know if they match the .300 or .303 they're making now. They mic .300 though.
JSB Hades and Exact 44.75.
FX Hybrid 44.5.
AVS .3013 Cup base, 51, 55.

BC was calculated in Chairgun using initial velocity and adjusting BC until velocity at distance agreed with my measurements. Velocity is an average of 5-20 shots, with a few measurements omitted due to obvious bad results. These occurred primarily at the longer ranges and I'm not sure if it's from the projectile tumbling or from the Labradar losing the projectile among the raindrops. I will make sure it's not raining if I run these tests again.

Observations:
- JSB Exact shot better than published BC. JSB Hades doesn't have a published BC but it's significantly lower than the Exact.
- The JSB Exacts were washed and sorted (44.70 to 44.79gr). All other projectiles were straight from the tin.
- Slug BCs are well below published values. My RAW is not particularly a slug gun so may be everything. But it highlights the value of testing BC's for yourself.
- Time of flight for the pellets is very close to time of flight for slugs of similar weight. But BC is drastically different. (This begs the question of whether wind drift is more directly affected by BC or by time of flight.)
- From what I've read, 70fpe is below the optimal velocity range for slugs.
- Not clear if the NSA slugs have changed in 3 years, but I pulled the nearest BC data from their site today.
- It occurs to me I've never cleaned this barrel. It doesn't have many shots through it, but that may not matter.
- I was mostly unable to see the accuracy of these shots owing to the conditions and me using an 8.5x11 target at 100y on a well-shot backer board. The AVS though seemed to shoot well and so I got extra shots at the 50y target with them. Accuracy is not one ragged hole like the Exact, but close enough to hold promise.

I have two AEA challenger air rifles both sent in for review. Both have around 2 magazine’s through them that’s all, first is a .25 cal bullpup with 24 inch barrel second is a .30 cal rifle with 24 inch barrel. Both come in original boxes. $350 a piece to your door or $625 to your door for both.

I have been shooting a break barrel rifle to pop some pesky chipmunks that dig around my foundation. I am considering something that I do not have to cock each time. Looking for suggestions for a PCP rifle with decent accuracy in .17 caliber. Would like to stay below $300. Thanks

We've had a few foxes in my area starting problems, and acting aggressively towards the neighborhood cats. Last night before bed I heard a commotion outside my bedroom window and managed to get a shot off from about 20 yards. The 25.4gr pellet caught him square between the eyes and just dumped him on the spot. Hopefully he was the worst offender in the area and things cool off for a bit.