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The scope I use ranges very well at 45 yards and is effective at 50+ yards on a regular basis. Unfortunately the scope is no longer available.
But it really depends a lot on how well you set up the eyepiece reticle adjustment.. If you play around with that, you might find a spot that doesn't change with temp shifts, and snaps way better. I've had really good results with both the Hawke Sidewinder and Athlon Heras 4-20x50 1" tube, and I'm now using the Heras this last season.. switching back to WFTF now, with hopes to get into the worlds in AZ,

So, I'm testing my older tested & true Sightron III against my last time favorite the Falcon X50 503 and the new, less snappy, but more room on the wheel Falcon X50 505... and Now, since I like the Athlon line so much, the lower priced Heras SPR 15-60 x56. It's looking pretty darn good so far, it's gonna be a hard decision. I hope to have a review sometime soon.
 
My brother was on the podium as National Champion and he used an older style Hawke Sidewinder 4-16x50 at the time.
A few years ago I placed first overall out of all classes at one of the largest Field Target GP’s in the country and have won numerous Hunter PCP events, or placed second, while using the scope noted above.
And for what it’s worth, there’s a lot more to missing than ranging errors.

Practice, practice, practice!
Was the Hawk on a springer or PCP?
 
I have had great results with both an Bushnell match pro 6-24x50 and Athlon Midas Tac . Although I have never won a national championship with them
but then I haven’t competed in one yet!
Currently I shoot HFT pistol using an Sightron S-Tac 4-20x50 FFP with the MH4 reticle. Works ok but at 12x the FFP feature makes the reticle pretty tight / hard to work with.
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That said I’m still on the hunt for the perfect HFT pistol scope - ideas appreciated
 
Currently I shoot HFT pistol using an Sightron S-Tac 4-20x50 FFP with the MH4 reticle. Works ok but at 12x the FFP feature makes the reticle pretty tight / hard to work with.
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That said I’m still on the hunt for the perfect HFT pistol scope - ideas appreciated
Why are you shooting at 12X?
 
Currently I shoot HFT pistol using an Sightron S-Tac 4-20x50 FFP with the MH4 reticle. Works ok but at 12x the FFP feature makes the reticle pretty tight / hard to work with.
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That said I’m still on the hunt for the perfect HFT pistol scope - ideas appreciated
Obviously the Element Titan didn’t make the Cut?
 
Obviously the Element Titan didn’t make the Cut?
I have 2 Element Titans but I haven’t tried one on the TM 1000 … they are on my Crosman Challenger HFT… and my AA S500xr… they are on par with my S-Tac in most respects but the Titans spread out the numbers better from 40-55 so my thoughts are they’re best suited to HFT long game. Both the S-Tac and the Titans are FFP and at 12X the reticle is too fine for my liking.
 
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Currently I shoot HFT pistol using an Sightron S-Tac 4-20x50 FFP with the MH4 reticle. Works ok but at 12x the FFP feature makes the reticle pretty tight / hard to work with.
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That said I’m still on the hunt for the perfect HFT pistol scope - ideas appreciated
@cavedweller, what is that pointer mechanism on your scope?
 
@cavedweller can I ask why you aren’t using the long end of your wheel to give the most separation on your yardage marks?
On my HFT pistol I only need 10-35 yards for ranging markers as that’s the minimum and maximum distance for target placement.
Those distances spread out very well even on the smaller radius of the parallax wheel and this allows me to do a taco hold / grab the top of the scope for standing and kneeling lanes.
 
Kinda late to this thread but most of us older hunter shooters are still looking for the holy grale of 16X scopes. So far to the best of my knowledge I agree with Don, they don't exist. Years back we had a hunter shooter that had his scope doctored from 12x to some where around 24x. It wasn't discovered unti this guy got exited by AFFTA for boosting his rifle power in the middle of a National. It wan't until he sold this scope that it became know by the buyer that it well exceeded the 12x limit of the Hunter class. So there is really no way to verify actual scope magnification other than viewing the power setting and I have never seen or heard of any official in a big match doing that.
I have always believed that shooting the match at known yardages for everyone would be the fairest way to play this game. We still have one's own skill and the wind to keep us humble. This would eliminate a need to waste money on top dollar scopes that just don't rangefind at 16X. Take away advantages of home range and like it or not there is an advantage if you are helping set out targets or shoot the course enough to recognize range land marks. If you think this doesn't happen then carry on and Good Luck!
 
Kinda late to this thread but most of us older hunter shooters are still looking for the holy grale of 16X scopes. So far to the best of my knowledge I agree with Don, they don't exist. Years back we had a hunter shooter that had his scope doctored from 12x to some where around 24x. It wasn't discovered unti this guy got exited by AFFTA for boosting his rifle power in the middle of a National. It wan't until he sold this scope that it became know by the buyer that it well exceeded the 12x limit of the Hunter class. So there is really no way to verify actual scope magnification other than viewing the power setting and I have never seen or heard of any official in a big match doing that.
I have always believed that shooting the match at known yardages for everyone would be the fairest way to play this game. We still have one's own skill and the wind to keep us humble. This would eliminate a need to waste money on top dollar scopes that just don't rangefind at 16X. Take away advantages of home range and like it or not there is an advantage if you are helping set out targets or shoot the course enough to recognize range land marks. If you think this doesn't happen then carry on and Good Luck!

I partially agree with you about known distances.

An example......
All the way back to 2020 when we first started having monthly high power field target matches, we've posted the distances. It's been great-much cheaper to play the game, and even be competitive. I've won matches with cheap 20x SWFA scopes. The hassle and frustration of ranging by focus simply isn't there.

As part of the early discussions and shooter votes to establish high power FT, we wanted to avoid a fragmented pool of shooters with sometimes only 2 or 3 shooters in each of 6 different classes/divisions like we see in AAFTA. The only "divisions " we had/have are pellet/slug/rimfire. Pellet class has typically been the largest class. No separation of classes by scope like we see in AAFTA, which I personally think is great and adds to the inclusive nature of how high power ft is structured. Luckily those who took-over high power ft chose to continue keeping everybody in the same class, scope-wise, for the nation wide "GP series."

The flip side of that coin is that unknown distance is just part of the game of AAFTA type matches. Going back decades, it's just part of what makes field target what it is, like kneeling and offhand shots, just part of the game. And yet another aspect that a successful ft shooter has to figure out. Of course, it drives up the cost of being competitive, with guys perpetually chasing the perfect 16x scope, usually spending more and more with each new "try." If I didn't know better, I'd almost think there's scope companies behind this, an effort to drive up sales. But the truth of it is that only a couple of scope companies are even aware of the ranging by focus that we do in ft. So we're trying to make scopes do something their designers and manufacturers never intended for their scopes to do.

Anyway, high power ft, as an example of a flavor of field target where we omitted the unknown distance factor, is doing just fine without ranging by focus. Sure doesnt take away any of the fun factor. While sub20 AAFTA shooters (specifically Hunter class) are perpetually on the hunt for a scope that excels in doing something that most scopes aren't designed to do. Lol, makes perfect sense. "Field target sense", if you would.
 
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Pistol HFT is limited to 12x. I’m going to try the

Athlon Optics 214502: Heras SPR 2-12X42 Riflescope Side Focus 1 Inch Sfp Aagr1 Mil​

An update to this attempt for a better pistol FT scope.... although this one was second focal plane, the reticle was still just too fine at it's max 12X to be of benefit to me. Sent her back for a refund after looking through the glass for all of 5 minutes. next.
 
An update to this attempt for a better pistol FT scope.... although this one was second focal plane, the reticle was still just too fine at it's max 12X to be of benefit to me. Sent her back for a refund after looking through the glass for all of 5 minutes. next.
Athlon Argos BTR GEN 2 6-24x50 with a large comma wheel will spread out the numbers pretty well and it is very affordable.
The Aztec Emerald 5.5-25x50 is also "ok" but i find it a bit mushy and you have to range EXACTLY the same way each and everytime to avoid mis-ranging.

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Athlon Argos BTR GEN 2 6-24x50 with a large comma wheel will spread out the numbers pretty well and it is very affordable.
The Aztec Emerald 5.5-25x50 is also "ok" but i find it a bit mushy and you have to range EXACTLY the same way each and everytime to avoid mis-ranging.

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Of recent, i have been pleased with Athlons Heras SPR 6-24x56 with the APRS9 FFP reticle. a good 5-6" parallax wheel will do a good job helping spread the numbers out from 40-55 yards. It's not perfect but it wont break the bank.
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