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Benjimin gunner vs umarex zelos Which one to choose if Bejimin Gunner MSRP 999.99 Onsale for $499.99 and is $100 lower than Umarex Zelos 599.99 MSRP


Under research Bejimin Gunner is 2022 model and Umarex Zelos is 2024 newer model/

Benjimin Gunner has AR 1 5 adjustable stock

Umarex Zelos is a Bull Pup Non Adjustable stock

Whats other pros and cons


Thanks

Hey All,

Bought this a week or so ago thinking I was going to be mister slug shooter and while this gun is PHENOMENAL at that, for my uses pellets just fit the bill better….

This is a custom .22 Kalibr Cricket 60 (long). This was donated for an EBR prize a couple years back.

Has a custom 700mm (stock are 600) 17.7 twist, 12 groove, no choke barrel.

Currently at a reg setting of right at 120 (ish) bar I am shooting the Daystate Howlers at 965, accuracy and consistency is amazing and with a 300 bar fill the shot count is through the roof. Can easily tune for heavier slugs. Shoots the Monster Redesigns, JTS 22.07 and 18.13 just as accurate simply by adjusting the hammer spring adjuster.

Has a custom paint job and wood grips as well.

Comes with 2 magazines, fill probe

Scope, rings, bipod, moderator not included

Pic below shows TWO 7 shot groups at 33 yards with the Howlers as well as a quick string showing the consistency (did not adjust the weight for the Howlers so the FPE does not show correctly).

Nothing really in mind trade wise so just let me know what you have to offer and we can go from there!

was washing some pellets today i use a commercial jewelry cleaner.
was kind of surprised to see this on slugs
i have seen it on some pellets chp/ jsb not so bad and not any in the 2 tins of Jts pellets?
the worst was my favorite slugs well group the best so far, the fx hybrid 26g
none of the Zan slugs did this?
Neilson's out of a box only had a few 5 not bad the one box of the fx hybrids 28 out of 100.
is this corrosion or casting now i see where possibly the fliers come from possibly? or dirty the barrel?

I have posted the start of my pellet gun story already but this is to address my impression of my first air gun experience. We have plenty of gun stores in my Albany NY area but try to find an air gun. Online a hour or two before finding Tractor Supply had 2 different Umarex’s.
Knowing nothing about them figured they would be cheap junky toy. Bought the 2 different pellet tins they had and home to unbox.
The rifle came with a scope which I assumed was unusable. Was pretty impressed sure didn’t look or feel like a toy. The rifle is a Synergis
Elite 22. I thought I loaded the mag right but ended up dry firing,, holy poop this is a loud as a standard velocity 22lr ,, spark flying ( dieseling
I guess) hummm sort of defeats the purpose. Might as well use Anguilla sss subsonic 22lr to not alert the neighbors. Anyway went to cellar to
sight in. Much quieter with ammo in it… haa!
This very inexpensive gun is really all I would ever need if I was only using it as a pest deterrent. I changed the included scope for a cheap,
junk but slightly better Meuller 4x14 I had. At 40 feet it puts selected pellets in one ragged hole. I know that doesn’t impress and to put it in
perspective for myself I shot my Sako Quad with Lilja barrel set up for silhouette and sporter bench rest. This shot a 22 caliber round hole.

Well that started it. That was the 3rd of November. So in 17 days I have accumulated 1 Umarex rifle, 1 Reximex rpa pistol, hand pump,
my first red dot sight, buck rail suppressor, bullet trap, $200 cheap Amazon compressor and a dozen various pellet tins.
A pcp rifle and new scope on the way.
Plus signing up to this forum
Mike

Well we finally got to Sub zero ( C ) temperatures here, the shed heat sources did well but really we need to have smaller openings to shoot out of on these really cold days.
Also insulation would not hurt, so come spring / summer i think i will have to put some of that on the roof at least.

Mind you Tuesday evening combined with 2 heat sources going and -2 deg C outside, inside we had a nice temperature of 20 - 24 deg C, but we can not maintain that with 2 lanes going even if just 50% opened, so something to easy narrow that opening will have to be worked out, so far i have just propped up stuff ( see video )

Never the less, this new shed is leagues better than the old setup, so i am still pegging this as a big WIN.

A little video from today, dialing rifle back to speeds handling the 10.4gr JTS pellets.


Last night 2 critters fell victim to me, first one of the small ones, and then a little later sitting talking after dinner i saw big fat one on CCTV, so i excused myself and went into sniper mode in the shed.
And 5 minutes later i got my #2 kill of the night.

Hello up for sale is the FX Panthera 22 Cal 700 barrel comes with one factory magazine and two charm aftermarket magazines. Aftermarket KL hand guard. Shoots great just too long for me.

Asking $1,800 includes shipping
Reduced $1,600 includes shipping

The only thing broken or not working is the one latch on the hard case shown in the picture.

Big news for UFT @ PRGC!

This month will be the first of Ben's new format.

He has been working hard and added a third target to each lane, and restructured to allow a broader range of airguns to be competitive.

It seems more complicated than it really is but I'll take a stab at making it clear....

Three targets, near, middle and far.
If you're under 20 foot pounds (think AAFTA) you can shoot the near and middle targets for some good practice.
If you're under 50 foot pounds you can shoot all three, for what Ben's calling "the full Monty," resulting in a 72 shot match. That's lots of shooting!
If you're 50-100 foot pounds, you can shoot the middle and far targets for a "long range/high power match."

No allowance for greater than 50fpe will be allowed for the full Monty. IE zero tolerance policy for fpe greater than 50fpe. This is for protecting the new/nearest targets.

So, rimfire and high powered slugs can still come shoot a 48 shot high power match. AAFTA guys can come practice. Guys with hunting rigs in that sweet spot of .22 and 30-35fpe can come shoot without needing a very expensive scope and all the paraphernalia that comes with AAFTA field target classes. Essentially, if you've got an airgun, come shoot a match, simple as that.

We're not sure how the chips are gonna fall with participation in each class but it'll be fun to find out. Also, we'll continue keeping the slug and pellet classes. As an example, you pellet shooters don't have to shoot against @steve123 and his 49fpe Altaros slugs that did so well last month.

Here's the kill zone sizes and distances and Troyer factors. Don't look if you're an AAfTA guy. .


Yep, there's some dang tough targets in that mix, but also some relatively easy ones. Those AAFTA illegal Troyers sound pretty "Ultimate" to me. And yes, that opens up a bunch of strategizing for the full monty....do you stick with small calibers to squeak em in the tiny kzs? Or do you go with a bigger caliber with a better BC for better hit rates on the long range shots? Choices choices.

In the past I've shot my best scores when using my personal rangefinder during the match. So if you figure your dope with a specific rangefinder I'd suggest bringing that to use during the match.

As always, sign up via Practiscore, linked here on the PRGC calendar, as well as some more of the particulars for the match.

We apologize for such short notice on the match announcement. Ben wasn't sure if he was going to get that third target in for this month so we were holding out on the announcement. He does much of the work himself and he's just one guy.

After watching this video on JTS pellets in .177 i'm not a fanboy

We would like to introduce our new product, which you could see in many videos from previous years and which allows us to aim and shoot accurately with airgun even above 1000 yards.
This device is the Altaros MOA Booster Periscopic device, that can be characterized by the following characteristics:

- Increase the maximum aiming distance several times by adding 0-120 mRad (412 MOA) to your riflescope elevation adj. range.
- The default setting of 30mRad, it will prolong the aiming range almost twice.
- The device can be easily mounted on any standard rifle scope with an outer diameter from 40 to 62mm (reducers are produced according to the required size).
- The add elevation change occurs immediately after the MOA Booster is inserted and there is no change in the point of impact when removed from the rifle scope.
- MOA Booster doesn't change the position of the rifle scope to the shooter so there is no need to change the cheekpiece position as is the case with adjustable mounts
- A spirit level is included for precise positioning on the riflescope to keep maximum accuracy.

More info on our website:

https://www.altaros.cz/domu/272-moa-booster-periscopic-device.html

I have space and budget for a 'budget' bullpup.

Budget because it is my first bullpup, I want to first see if I like the concept, then I will possibly buy a higher end rifle.
We are also quite limited on choice over here in South Africa compared to Europe and the USA.
I am also not able to walk into a store to look and feel, I need to buy online.

I spent a lot of time reading forums, watching reviews, but am still not sure.

They are all similar in price, power and functionality - I am looking at .22.

Any personal experience of why one over the other, or rather why not one of these?
(My preference with the limited knowledge I have is Akela, then P35, then Bullboss).

I am looking at getting a mini Arca tri pod to use with my epoch. Just curious if anyone has experience with one of the amazon ones such as this.


I know the Skout one is certainly solid as can be but it’s 150 bucks and these days often the amazon choices are pretty good on many things.

Just ordered a Daystate huntsman Monday. Thought it was a great deal because it was a 25 and I have read here that the 25s were low powered and less resale. The real reason for the low price was this was an unregulated model. This is just for cellar and open window to backyard gun.
However I don’t want to go backwards in technology. Think I gotta cancel and choose again.
Mike

Any buy it for life optics?

Im curious now that these have been out if there is a consensus on good target speed. Traditional thinking from what i have seen is that pellets should be fired 880-890-900 speed(ish) This makes sense as past Mach 0.8 you run into stability and drag issues and with a projectile that is drag stabilized this makes sense..

Well now AEA came out with their pellets and they don't look fundamentally different. There are differences of course but they aren't like slug versus pellet difference. Now with these AEA pellets we'v seen remarkable accuracy at 1000FPS and I think there is even a video of 30 cal Challenger slinging them at 1100 FPS with close to MOA accuracy at 100yards.

So I guess my question to all you guys that are much smarter then me, whats changed. Were we wrong with the 890ish guidance or have AEA found som kind of secret source.. I know the pellets are a bit harder but not sure how that would explain being able to go faster.

Mike

Up for sale is my GK1 in .25 cal. It's the V1 model and serial number 68 from the first batch. It's a great gun but prefer traditional style rifles for hunting. Have had zero issues with it and it absolutely loves 34 grain JSBs and that's what I've shot most of out of it. Set at around 800 fps and gets a full mag at that power. I'll include everything in the pic except the scope it's self. I'll include the off set rings that work really well. PayPal F&F preferred but can also take Zelle through my bank. Asking $1250 shipped in the US only. Thanks for looking James from Michigan (Graphic pics below) Only possible trade would be for a DRS classic walnut .25 600mm.

Are there any differences on benchrest that you'd do between air rifle and shooting 308?

Hello, first post on the traditional airguns forum. So I am getting into air rifles and have previous experience with the diana 34 I bought for my dad. I liked it quite a lot but was wondering about getting a 460 as I like the idea of higher power and fixed barrel. What are peoples opinions on it?

I’ve been looking at springers for several months. Been reading on this forum and researching a few dealer’s websites for reviews on springers that I favored. Finally settled on an R9 in .22 cal. I ordered a Hawke Airmax 4-16 Compact with Sports Match adjustable rings. As soon as I got it, I made several passes through the barrel with J-B honing paste then cleaned it well. Mounted the rings then ran a honing bar through them to make sure of a good seat. I struggled the first 100 rounds to get a decent pattern with Hades Diabolo 15.89’s. I’m about 200 into it now and after a few adjustments I think I’m finally onto a good pattern at 15 yds.(I started there because of a squirrel issue I have in my front yard just outside of a dormer window about the same distance) I also have H-N Terminator 16.36 that I have not tried yet. Starting to see the light and a smile every time I squeeze the trigger. Already have sights on an AA TX200 and a PS. As soon as the acorns dry up in the front yard, it will be raining squirrels!!

So I bought my first 177 about two weeks ago. Never thought I would own a 177 or a clone CO2 pistol either. But I am teaching a friend who has never shot the basics of PB handguns and the Umarex PPQ M2 seemed a good starting point. No recoil and no loud report.
Any ways, I have learned to hate 177 projectiles in less than 2 weeks. My old fumbling fingers struggle with the Liliputian sized projectiles every time I go to stick those 21 micro pellets in the magazine.
All the above is somewhat tongue in cheek but I am wondering if there is a secret to handling these minuscule wonders more efficiently.
Also, didn’t think I would enjoy shooting this thing but am having a ball shooting it in the garage with a minimalist back stop.

Today this hapless critter showed up at the wifes garden while I was working out an R7 tune over my chrono. I grabbed my Hw50 and took a shot at it's head. I heard it hit like nut. The squirrel slinked a few feet on the drive and went still.

I was pretty shocked. It was at least a 60 yard shot. The chronograph recorded 785 fps with a 8.64 FTT. That's only 11.82 fpe. Upon inspection I couldn't find a wound. I think I killed it with a concussion.

I normally keep my squirrel shots within 40 yards on this rifle but it was the strongest air rifle at hand.

Most of my guns fall under the they are well past being discussed because they are no longer made or old fashioned compared to the current offerings. I forget when the T12 was even made. I picked this one up used on Craigslist a few years ago. It had a slight leak and the owner had the trigger way out of whack. Perfect for me.

I got this out a few days ago and was having a failure of the sear to engage. Easy fix, first stage screw had just backed out a bit. Figured I would post some pics.

Rifle has is 12 shot, 220 bar fill, is .22 and tuned for 20ftlbs. Gets a ton of shots and is boringly accurate with even Crosman PremierHP.







It don’t get more out of style than this bolt handle on the side.

It’s been awhile since I’ve posted anything. Tuned a Cricket 2 Tac that came out great and thought I’d share. The Old Crickets are still hard hitting and accurate with great regulators! I did some porting on this barrels transfer port, changed out the valve spring and cut a custom hammer spring. Tuned for the 56gr Zan pellets at 880 fps. I also did my mod on the magazines which helps smooth indexing. Here’s the chrony string from a 260 bar fill down to the 150 bar reg setting. This is with the 580cc factory bottle:

Created: 11/17/24 01:53 PM
Description: .30 Cricket 2 Tac
Notes 1: 30220225
Notes 2: Reg set at 150 bar
Distance to Chrono(FT): 1.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.070
Bullet Weight(gr): 56.00
Temp: N/A °F
BP: N/A inHg
Altitude: 150.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
40 883 96.97 49.45
39 879 96.09 49.22
38 879 96.09 49.22
37 878 95.87 49.17
36 878 95.87 49.17
35 881 96.53 49.34
34 881 96.53 49.34
33 881 96.53 49.34
32 879 96.09 49.22
31 884 97.19 49.50
30 881 96.53 49.34
29 882 96.75 49.39
28 881 96.53 49.34
27 882 96.75 49.39
26 880 96.31 49.28
25 881 96.53 49.34
24 885 97.41 49.56
23 882 96.75 49.39
22 882 96.75 49.39
21 886 97.63 49.62
20 882 96.75 49.39
19 884 97.19 49.50
18 885 97.41 49.56
17 884 97.19 49.50
16 884 97.19 49.50
15 884 97.19 49.50
14 883 96.97 49.45
13 884 97.19 49.50
12 883 96.97 49.45
11 885 97.41 49.56
10 886 97.63 49.62
9 885 97.41 49.56
8 887 97.85 49.67
7 884 97.19 49.50
6 886 97.63 49.62
5 887 97.85 49.67
4 885 97.41 49.56
3 884 97.19 49.50
2 885 97.41 49.56
1 881 96.53 49.34
Average: 882.8 FPS
SD: 2.4 FPS
Min: 878 FPS
Max: 887 FPS
Spread: 9 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.0
True MV: 884 FPS

Tricked out the trigger for a 1 ounce first stage to a 3 ounce second which breaks very clean at 4 ounces.



Shot today at 50 yards (first) and 100 yards (second group). Each pictured group is 5-shots. Had some right to left winds!



Y’all be good

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Skout is the fastest most engaged, and courteous experience I've ever had from any manufacturer, or vendor of anything. I ordered my Skout Evo 5 days ago. And today it arrived. Even after I changed the delivery address to my work, so I wouldn't have to take a day off to sign for the package. Truly impressive. 5 days. Two of which were the weekend. Which incidentally didn't stop Darryl from answering an Email after hours. Truly great. So... 3 business days. With a weekend in the middle. You just can't beat it.

Now if my scope, mount, and ammo would get here..!

Scope, rings, and Riser NOT included but anything is negotiable…

Selling my RAW TM1000 .177 <20fpe FT rifle. This is a Martin build with Serial #005. It was sent to Motorhead for his magic. He did a complete reseal, rebuilt the regulator, new spring, hammer, and valve seat, SSG anti bounce, etc.

13.4gr around 800 and 10.34gr around 875.

Rifle is in excellent condition. It is accurate and built to last forever. I thought it might be a rifle I would never sell, but I don’t shoot FT anymore and it needs to be shot and appreciated by more than me in my backyard.

Scope, rings, and Riser NOT included but anything is negotiable…

Asking $1,700 shipped.
I normally use PayPal, but am flexible depending on the buyer. I have a long history buying/selling with well known members here.

Another debit card denial on my purchase of airgun related books. This has happened twice now on books from the UK to me. Had a Krale purchase nixed by my card. Tried to get HP gauge and fittings to deal with my HW90. That was denied a second time after I thought the bank straightened it out. All of these denied purchases were airgun related in some way. Just had to blow off steam. I don't play well with others and know it. So I make a supreme effort to be polite. I also pray a lot. It helps me greatly. YMMV. BE Well Brothers, Bandito.