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SOLD Element Helix 6-24x50, SFP

LNIB - Element Helix 6-24x50, SFP scope. It has the EHR-1C MOA reticle. No scratches, marks or dings. Comes with all original accessories, manual, box, etc.

$315 OBO and will ship free within CONUS. Not interested in trades. PayPal F&F or buyer pays insurance. Venmo is also an option. PM with any questions and thanks for looking.

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A Standard Testing Method

Standardizing Moderator Testing in the Airgun World
Oldspook
16 Sept. 2022


Introduction: The genesis of a significant number of silencer manufacturers specializing in products intended for the airgun market over the last decade has created a need for a standardized testing method. This paper is intended to define one such method.


Orientation: There are a number of problems which should be addressed when attempting to measure silencer efficiency on a standardized scale, not the least of which is the cost of high quality testing equipment. Some will say you can't get meaningful measurements without specialized equipment costing hundreds or thousands of dollars. To those people I say, “research ballistic pendulums”. To anyone interested in comparing one moderator to another I say, “You can do that with enough accuracy to inform your choices and have some fun while you are at it.” Information you glean will be comparable to others on a larger scale and even if the “nay sayers” tell you your information is not accurate you can reply, “It is more accurate than no information at all.” Seriously though, you will be able to make reliable comparisons and your data will be valuable to those of us who are engaged in similar pursuits.


Equipment: Well you are going to need an air rifle or air pistol. You will benefit from the use of a chronograph but one is not required. You will need a cell phone with a dB meter application or better still an actual dB meter. I use my phone and this application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splendapps.decibel


It works just fine (EDIT: MAR 23; with the caveat that very short duration noises may not be captured). You will need a place quiet enough to do your testing. Anywhere with an ambient noise level of about 60 dB will do just fine. I have never tested a moderator, even on a sub-twelve foot pound PCP that was quieter than 66 dB (on a DRY day) so a noise floor of 60 dB is far more than adequate.


Setup: To create a standardized test we need a standardized setup. Most people don't have easy access to an indoor range. The good news is you don't need access to one. This method isn't going to define what application you should use or what phone or equipment you should use. Such rules are too restricting in a practical environment. We are not lab rats (well I might be) but most of us are shooters wanting to learn more not scientists conducting a million dollar government study. You should use whatever device you elect to use to make your measurements. We will control the things which are easiest to control. Measurements should be taken at a standardized location relative to the muzzle. I strongly recommend you place your sensor fifteen feet from the muzzle of your airgun and on a line perpendicular to the direction of fire. There are a couple of reasons for that suggestion. The first reason is safety. You have to walk to the meter after each shot and read what it says. You should not be walking down range to do that. The second reason I suggest that location has to do with the purpose of the moderator. Most shooters moderate their airguns to keep from upsetting their neighbors. Neighbors are generally not down range. If they are you wouldn't be shooting. So fifteen feet from the muzzle at 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock seems like a good place. The microphone on your device should be pointed directly at the airgun. Why? The direct pulse of firing will arrive at the microphone first and will be louder than reflections with this setup barring some rather unusual geometries. But why 15 feet? Fifteen feet because that is a large enough distance to give us the ability to calculate other information as I have shown in a different post. If you are too close it is hard to extrapolate the "detectable" range and if you are too far it is hard to get a good sound reading. That's your setup. It is pretty straight forward.

Method: When testing PCPs you should try to keep your shots at the same regulator setting on a regulated rifle and close to the same shot number in the shot string for an unregulated rifle. Spring rifles and other platforms will be inherently similar so long as you are shooting the same ammunition for the entire test cycle. The more data points you get the more accurate the statistics based upon your data will be. You need first to establish your baseline. You must do this every time you conduct a test because conditions change. Your baseline is the average of three or more shots from the airgun under test with no moderator attached. If the rifle is a shrouded rifle, the baseline is established with the rifle as it was delivered from the vendor. In other words, don't take your shroud off the rifle, unless you just like the pain. In the end you are going to report information about your rifle anyway. So you shoot three shots with no moderator and write that data down. Then you average that data. At that point you start testing the moderator(s). Shoot the same number of shots with each moderator that you shot to establish your baseline. Average those numbers for each moderator. The averages are all that matter for our purposes.

Interpreting your results (dB/CC): We need something simple that will help us to evaluate the relative efficiency of one moderator over another. So I hereby declare the standard measurement of silencer efficiency to be decibels per cubic centimeter. How do you calculate that? Measure the length of your moderator and the diameter, do it in millimeters it makes the math easier. There are any number of applications on the web which can be used to calculate the volume of a cylinder. Find one. Use it. Once you know the volume of your moderator in cubic centimeters, you divide that number into the difference between your unmoderated airgun and your moderated airgun.

Or you can make a spread sheet that does that math. Like the one attached. This is for a test I did this afternoon. I am very proud of the moderator I modified for my Stormrider.

I hope the community finds this concept useful. It would be nice to have a number which rates a moderator in comparison to other moderators.

NOTE: Humidity and temperature will change sound propagation. That is why you need to identify a standard moderator and always establish a baseline with it EVERY time you test. Today I tested my "standard" moderator against itself. It was a very humid day today. I have been doing my testing in dry months. My "standard" moderator tested an average of 3 dB louder today than it has tested on dry days. So did every other moderator I tested today. So there is a bit of anecdotal information which might be worth having, moderators work better on dry days.

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New Vulcan 3

Fx 18.1’s running about 1020 middle of the target , sighted up once

Next 25.4 JMRD’s ran about 880, best group bottom left

Next 21g Gamo’s ran about 925 bottom right grouping

New gun, cleaned the bore, and shot at 50 yards direct cross wind 10-12ish, against fence.

Not sure if i wanna leave it alone, and shoot redesigns, or turn it down and try to get the 18’s to fly better…

This gun tics all the boxes for a lefty. mag is flush on both sides, safety inside trigger well, and cocking lever is on the left.. i have no use of my right hand, other than a rest, so this gun is really going to suit me well i think. Wanted one for a long time, but went argus 60 instead, then an m3, now onto this one. Thanks ViperJoe for a great deal on it. So far im pretty happy

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DAYSTATE Redwolf Replacement battery on the cheap .. more "Cap" too !

More CAPACITY ... 2000 mah / 3s / 30c rating verses the factory 800 mah / 3s / 20c ;)

I lost 1 cell in my factory battery & needed a replacement .... No where could I find a replacement battery that ONLY came with a 4 pin balanced charging plug and NO primary power connector that's typically used in LiPo :cry: So I tried a couple 3S batteries used in my R/C racing buggy and sure enough using the balance connector on them connected to the rifle it powered right up and worked like it should.

Well then ... lets search for a similar sized 3s battery with the smallest / shortest Power lead ? FOUND ONE with a mini power lead and connector.
See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384845724554

For less than $20 to my door was worth a gamble ... SCORE !!! :cool: The battery fits, powers up rifle via balance lead & Mini connector stows away w/o issue.

The Factory Daystate battery ( From AOA ) is $50 plus postage I'll assume. This one is 2 1/2 times the capacity !! and 1/2 again greater current output ( amp draw ) for less than $20 My Heliboard equipped wolf is now rockin it .... Refresh has never been so quick. Seeing about 2 seconds+ there about.


NOW BE AWARE .... My Redwolf is a Standard, tho has the 11.1 Volt battery ... if you have an HP ? and battery it uses is similar and connects via the 4 pin balance lead for primary connection you should be good to go.

THIS IS JUST AN FYI on what I found out and upgraded too .... Your ability to do the same is Your Responsibility to determine.

HW 30 / R9-HW50 / HW95

I want to move up from my R7 to something a little more powerful. I understand the spec differences on all three rifles but before I make a selection, I was wondering if there is any defined inherent accuracy differences between the 50 and 95 models in .177? I’ll want this rifle for longer range target work and as my pest / small game go to gun. Thanks

PS - I’m new to this forum and for the life of me I can’t figure out how to PM a member. I requested some advice on the HELP tab but didn’t get an answer so any pointers would be appreciate.

SOLD WTS BSA Ultra SE .177

WTS Bsa Ultra SE .177
Less than 50 pellets through it as I bought it for my Grandson and will leave a ragged hole at 25 yards. 220
bar fill pressure and has a ten shot magazine. Grandson lost interest and need to thin the herd. Like new condition.
$500 with free shipping to lower 48 states. Would prefer PayPal to [email protected] or Postal MO would also do.
Contact Ocedummy for more info, this is a nice compact rifle.

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SOLD ***SOLD*** Daystate Red Wolf Safari HP, .25 cal

I bought this beautiful Safari HP from AoA's pre-owned pages in February of this year. But I'm finding that I more often shoot my .22 Red Wolf HP, so the Safari is going to move on.

It is definitely an accurate gun. I'm still not 100% today after having 3 coronary stents implanted 2 days ago, but I shot some 50 yard groups and the gun covered up my physical issues pretty well. That short lock time of the Daystate electronic guns can really make a difference.

As a Safari, this gun has the more powerful GCU2 electronics and the updated, more comprehensive firmware. The gun shoots 33.95's at about 915 fps on HI, and 25.39's at 896 fps on MID, so you can easily and accurately shoot both pellet weights without any further programming. No blemishes I can see on this gun (well, a few marks on the lower Pic rail section from attaching bipods) and it has no issues. Comes with Daystate new style magazine, Daystate single shot tray, CARM single shot loader (all I ever used with this gun), good battery, charger with US plug and paperwork I got with it from AoA.

Gun does NOT come with scope and mounts shown in photos below. Payment via PP 'Friends', and prices include shipping to CONUS. Will be shipped in the brown corrugated & padded box it came in from AoA, in a second corrugated shipper.

Asking $2,145 for the gun as shown in the pics. If you are looking for this gun in a less expensive form, I would be happy to replace the Safari stock with a walnut stock from my RW .22 HP (shown below), and then the price of the 'Walnut Safari' would be $1,975.

Please ask any questions via AGN PM. Not really looking for any trades at the moment.

Thanks,
Tom
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Compact and light scope?

Hello!

I know this has been discussed, but just wondering if I'm missing any good option.
I will receive a new Uragan 2 600 I ordered at Krale ins the next weeks and I'm looking for a good scope for it.
I mostly shoot between 30-70yards, but want to have an option for 100+yards. It depends on how the rifle will handle slugs.

I currently have an Helix 6-24x, but I don't really use the max magnification and find it a bit on the heavy side (and honestly I got taken away for all the markting, because I dont find the scope that special, with a small eye box and not very usable max magnification).

Since I shoot off-hand ocasionally the wheight of the scope is relevant, that is why I would prefer something compact.
I've looked into the Vector Veyron 4-16x44 and into the Hawke Airmax 4-16x44.
Is there any other good option I'm missing?
what will I lose with a compact scope comparing with traditional bigger scopes? Field of view? Eye box size?

thanks!

SOLD Air Arms Alfa Proj Competition Pellet Pistol LAST ONE

How is everyone doing this Air Arms Alfa Proj Competition Pellet Pistol is great .177 and is the last one we have left from the club. They were bought for youth shooting and they were to good for the kids and a little fragile so th le club wanted them gone. It will come with everything included in the pictures below more than half off $500TYD. Any questions just ask.
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22 Sidewinder = baby rattler

AOA Might be a problem
I put my deposit down on the Sidewinder, I do not need the big lead of the Rattler in my 48 yard back yard.
Truthful I am getting a little nervous on the deal, I bought a Uragan from AOA about a year ago went to buy parts for it and was told we don't service or stock or sale AGT guns or parts, It would suck to have a warranty issue ,, The Huban is looking pretty dam good.
Mike

pop... BOOM

That's the noise heard deep in the Everglades this evening, amidst a backdrop of rain, as I took a short break from driving, stopped by a WMA and helped out with their Bufo toad problem.

The AEA HP SS Max .30 using predator polymags absolutely, not even joking, sounds like the report of a firearm when it hits the target. Damage assessment confirmed that the combo is highly effective for humane dispatch.

There is something absolutely surreal about the target making a noise WAY louder than the report of the airgun. Pretty darn neat really, but the first round genuinely did surprise me - 40 years of shooting and hunting, and I've never seen anything quite like that.

New invention

dilemma - i find myself daily around the house grabbing an airgun and racking one in .. many times though the shot doesnt present itself and i put the gun back on the wall, dont want to leave it cocked so pull the mag, leave one in the pipe ... this puts it at a significant disadvantage 'the next time' when the action presents itself if i got to tote a mag and fumble with it after that first shot .. oh i could have shot that one in the pipe out and left the mag in, but in my high power guns that turns into a pain after a couple of days .. now i got to refill the mag AND re-air the gun to keep it ready .. its a very real aggravation i deal with around my place as said, almost daily ... what i want is a mag i can 'lock' the advance on, so i can decock the gun, recock it, THEN release the mag advance .. presto .. i need ideas .. i was thinking to drill and run something like a paperclip all the way through the protruding portion of the mag, something i could see and yank out easily ... would be easier if they just made a switch on the mag to hold it, doh ... any idreas before i start boring on my mags?

FX Atomic Pellets now available

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FX Airguns USA is pleased to announce an expansion to their growing line of ammunition. We now offer the FX Atomic Pellets. These pellets are at US FX dealers immediately.

*Correct, these are the same design as the JSB Hades, we're not trying to fool anyone ;). But why not offer this great shooting hunting pellet as part of our FX pellet offerings with the advantage of the dedicated quality control and batched offerings that we have with JSB on top of our steady supply of pellets that is better than ever (no shortages here).

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With expanding ammo options, it's more clear than ever that airgunners can pick the right tool for the job, and FX dealers have multiple options they can offer through their relationship with FX Airguns USA: whether that is standard domed FX Pellets, fragmenting FX Atomic Pellets, light weight FX Hybrids, Patriot Javelin Slugs, or the forthcoming FX Halos. Each serve a purpose and are a tool to tailor to what the shooter is looking for.

FX Atomic Pellets are engineered for precision and expansion down range. The unique "atomic" fragmented head of the pellets allows for more significant expansion while maintaining the accuracy you would expect your standard domed FX pellets. The greater expansion allows the ammunition to dump its energy upon impact, making the Atomics a great choice for hunting and pest control.


The grain weight is the exact to standard domed pellets, which allows little modifying or tuning to your rifle. There is also no need for an additional liner in FX rifles as the Atomics shoot superbly out of standard FX Superior STX barrels.

FX Atomic Pellets are on hand or in route to all US FX Airgun dealers. They are offered in .177, .22, .25 & .30. European dealers will need to check with their local JSB importer for future availability.

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SOLD WTS Benjamin Armada .25 w/scope and bipod final price reduction.

Selling my .25 Armada. Like new only 4 mags thru it. Shoots Jsb .25 lights out. Just sits in the closet. Purchased new earlier this year on an impulse. Bought a wildcat and just don’t use it. Nothing wrong with it. Will come shipped in the original box with everything it came with. Center point 4-16x50 scope and bipod included. Asking $500 shipped PayPal f&f or you cover the fees please. OR $400 shipped gun only(no scope or bipod) Pm here or text to work out the details. Voice call or video chat ok with me to prove I’m real. Have bought and sold a few times here and can provide references if you would like. Thanks for looking! Phill

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SOLD WTS FX Wildcat Mk III .25 Synthetic

This FX Wildcat is a Tack Driver!
Used it with my ATN scope (not included, of course) for night time jack rabbit hunts...WOW!!!
ANIB condition, 3 magazines, Donny FL moderator (SUMO) included (pictured case not included)
Not much else to say; apologies for pics.

Asking $1250 obo (shipped and PayPal'd)
Note: NOT Friends & Family; (you need to protect your investment as I am new to this forum).
I have A rated Feedback on other forums (as the owner of a 38yr old company...I won't cheat you!!)

Roland Chick, owner of TAG
831.244.0950wk
cell 408.426. zero seven 86
Email: tagroland @ yahoo dot com
www.TAGadventurePARK.com

If you are in the area and looking for a place to shoot varmints, c'mon over (can shoot from our multiple Sniper Towers...FREE

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