Evening all,
I recently went shooting with a friend for the first time and had such a blast (no pun intended). I've been looking into getting myself an air rifle, and am keen to go for a springer, as I've been told this is the best place to start, but I am quite intrigued by the multishot system that quite a few manufacturers offer (Gamo, Milbro, Crosman). I'm interested to hear any thoughts on what these are like, and how they compare to normal single shot springers. Any advice? Cheers!

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Selling my beloved Notos and all accessories!

Thing is basically brand new, 200ish pellets just enough to fully text for quality and defects

No leaks no problems no damage basically brand new!

Bought like 2 months ago, never registered warranty, might beable to transfer to buyer? Idk but it's in perfect condition

Comes with a whole slew of accessories,optics, and attachments!

-1 umarex notos with original box and paperwork

-mounted and zerod UTG 3x9 bugbuster scope with QD monts

-pistol grip and sights

-tasco pro point red dot sight

-high scope ring mounts

-one piece scope mount

-buckrail forgrip with mlock slots

-scope cap for bugbuster

-3 tins of various pellets ...2 full 1 2/3 ish full (500 count crosman)

Never traded on here but I also listed it on reddit where I have made numerous transactions and trades and have built a solid reputation

Asking $400 ...by my calculations with tax and shipping have invested nearly $700

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Really don't want to sell but I found a deal on something else I really want, will be sad to see it go

Like I said literally nearly brand new, shot just enough to fully test quality and for any defects

I had an interesting thought.

Assuming we want to stay sub-transonic (And lets assume thats 900 FPS), how important is lets say the initial 10 yards of flight. Do we want to aim for 900 FPS right at the muzzle or further in the trajectory.

Am I over thinking this?

For example if you launch a Diablo 22/25 cal @ say 940 - 950 it's going to drop out of the low transonic range by about 15/20 yards into its flight. Assuming we are shooting 50 / 100 yards then the majority of the flight will be below transonic.

Thoughts

Mike

Hello all
been looking for one of those gauge blocks that fit the pp750 / Notos
long story short i finally got access to a AutoCAD CNC Machine
took my block off and to my buddies' machine shop to make a few.

been trying to buy one since purchasing the Notos but no luck
anyways if there is any interest i will be making a few seeing i already purchased the material if there is enough interest in them i will have him make a couple dozen.
that's all folks

I don't know if we have done this or not, but it really is manufacturing in its highest form. It is north of 30 minutes long, but an amazing watch.

Do you need any lubrication on the stainless threads of the bottle screwing into the aluminum block like moly paste, to keep the two from galding?

I started some magazines soaking late yesterday and shot into them this morning. This paragraph will all be things I've posted before so if you've heard it before feel free to skip ahead. I shoot wet paper based upon writings by Finn Aagard who was a professional hunter in Africa and later a writer. Finn said penetration in wet paper (he used newspaper as I used to) better simulated penetration in animal muscles than things like ballistic gel. I also use wet magazines because they cost me nothing. I just save them up and shoot them. My minimum standard for penetration is my Prod. With it's original tune I lost a couple squirrels and hung one I did kill on a tree to see how far various pellets would penetrate. None made it through. My Prod was tuned to 12-13 fpe. I did a retune to it's current level of about 18 fpe. With domed pellets it will shoot through a squirrel at 25 yards but only if I do not hit the shoulder or other heavy bone. I've only lost one squirrel since the retune and it was a brain shot that flopped itself into a rotted out area of a large oak. I always shoot a few pellets from the Prod into the test block of paper. I get fairly consistent results but this lets me calibrate one test to the previous tests. Normally the Prod penetrates about 9-10 magazines.

I used mostly American Rifleman magazines but there were a couple old Car and Driver and one or two AARP magazines in the stack. They average about 80 pages. Glossier magazines like the BMW magazine I also get seem to resist penetration more. They might also have more pages. So I try not to use those. As long as the magazines have about the same number of glossy printed pages and about the same number of pages I don't think it matters what they are.

I fired at least 3 projectiles of each type into the block but I couldn't find a couple. That is not unusual for me, that's why I shoot several. There will be pictures so you might want to know the Prod is at the bottom left, next to it is the P35-177, then my Caiman X, then my P35-22, then the P35-25. I thought this bottom portion of the pile might be more consistent but when I took it apart I don't think it was. I got more penetration in a couple shots that hit low and might have skipped a magazine or part of it. On the top right there are several shots from my 25 caliber Avenger and then to the left of that several from the P35-22 shooting metal mags and further left 4 H&N 34 grain slugs from my P35-25.

The Prod was shooting H&N copper plated FTTs at about 750 fps. The two pellets I found went through 9 magazines.
The P35-177 was shooting H&N Baracuda FTs at about 880 fps. I found 1 in the 9th magazine and three in the 10th. One fell out of the 10th.
The Caiman X was shooting H&N Baracuda 18s at about 920 fps. I found 2 pellets in the 17th magazine, one in the 18th, one low in the 19th and one low in the 20th.
The P35-22 shoots H&N Baracuda Match at about 820 fps. I found three in the 17th magazine and one in the 19th but it hit low.
The P35-25 was shooting JSB MKII heavies at about 750 fps. I found them in the 18th, 19th, and after the 20th magazine.
The 25 Avenger was shooting FX 25.4s at about 900 fps. I found them two in the 15th magazine and one in the 17th.
I found 2 of the three metal mags I shot in the 6th magazine. I don't know their velocity but I was using the P35-22 so it was probably close to 900 fps.
I found the 4 H&N slugs from the P35-25 in the 10th, two in the 11th, and one in the 13th magazine. Velocity was probably only about 700 fps.

I shot the metal mags and the slugs just to illustrate the difference expansion makes. The P35-22 shooting the domed pellets it likes went through 11 more magazines than the metal mags. I would not use a metal mag from this gun on a squirrel because in my opinion the penetration is insufficient. This sort of result is why I test. On the other hand, the 34 grain slugs penetrated sufficiently even if it was 7 magazines or so less than the pellets. Using them instead of pellets could limit over penetration.

This was a new pellet for the P35-177 since my last test with it and the Caiman X is a new gun for me and a new pellet. I used to use slightly heavier H&N Baracuda Match in the 177 but the penetration of the under 11 grain FTs was fine. The Caiman X is similar in fpe to the P35-22 shooting 18 grain pellets faster than the P35s 21 grain. Penetration was about the same with the Caiman possibly going a bit deeper. This type of penetration turns into a high percentage of exit wounds in squirrels in my experience. My 25s are modestly power in the world of 25 caliber airguns but with domed pellets they have plenty pf penetration. With the right expanding pellet or slug they should still be fine for small game.

The first picture shows the magazines in the drywall bucket I soaked them in. The twine was very loose before they soaked in the water. The next picture shows the pellets I dug out of the paper. The metal mags are on the bottom and the slugs in the middle right. The expansion is pretty obvious. The domed pellets show rifling marks but otherwise look about like what they did before I shot them. I had a picture of the front of the paper file but it seems to be too big. It doesn't show a lot but the holes of the paper do not look bigger, at least at the front and to my eye inside the stack, for the expanding projectiles. They probably are bigger holes but the difference is not remarkable enough for me to notice it.

I still want one in shooting condition. It was in the first half of the 80s, Beeman cataloged it. Was it BSA or perhaps Webley? Would like to find one. Does anyone have one or know of one to sell? I never saw one "up close and personal". I am sure I lost those catalogues in a basement flood. Still saddens me the literature I lost. I had Beeman and RWS catalogs for several years. Beeman was one of my favorite dreaming literature. NOT Playboy or that other garbage. I have been enamored of fine wood and steel my whole life. Airguns, cartridge, and muzzleloaders, all have pleased me over the years. And this system tells me I want to type Berman instead of Beeman! CONFOUND IT JIMMY ! ¡ ! Be Well Brothers, Bandito.

I picked up a used M3 .25 Compact barrel I'll be putting on my MKII. It has the standard/stock liner. I'm pretty new to this and was wondering what .25 pellets people are shooting from their compacts?

I was gifted an old Daisy 111. I am going to start the cleanup process and was wondering about what type of oil to use in the oil hole in the barrel?
I had heard a NON detergent 30 weight motor oil would work. The problem is that I think a NON detergent 30 weight motor oil is hard to find now a days.
Does anyone have a brand name NON detergent 30 weight motor oil that they would recommend? Does it specify "NON detergent" on the label?
Is there any other oil you would recommend?
Thanks.

I just discovered that Daisy has an account on X and it's rather lit. Lots of nostalgic stuff. Crosman and others really should do the same.


Cheers,

J~

A very small compact scope for a pp750 .what all are you running.for squirrel 5 to 30 yards?you no those little pesty poops when you are hunting deer from a treestand?what say you?

So two weeks ago I was doing some shots at 40-50 yards with the Notos at some targets I had beside the shed. Then decided to stretch it out a little more. Once I got the holdover figured out I was able to pretty consistently hit this plastic jug on a stick at just a little over 100 yards in a light variable wind. Even though it’s not that small of a target, I was pretty happy with that. Who else is pushing the Notos into unintended territory, distance or otherwise?

I have 3 PCP guns 2 are regulated. Last few days I setup my shooting bench and checked the accuracy and speed of the pellets. The Edgun R5M and AGT Vixen are regulated guns were bad at more than 1.5" to 2" at 33 yards. The last time I checked they were much better like 1/3" or less. I pulled out the Marauder to check am I that lousy of a shot or are the others guns bad. My 1st and cheapest gun the unregulated Marauder was the most accurate like 1/2" at 33 yards with a low un-regulated ES. The velocities of the R5M and Vixen had ES over 50 fps at times. So I think the regulators are bad and need re-building.

The Vixen is 2021 and the Edgun is 2018. Never rebuilt the regulators. Maybe they would last longer if I didn't fill to 300 bar and leave them like that for months! They never leaked any air.

Funny, the cheapest gun the Marauder I don't use 1+ year, just works, no leaks, zero stays put, no reg problems, but the velocity dropped from last I checked from 840 fps to 810 fps.

Edit- thanks everyone for a lot of answers. Before I posted this I did not know enough to simply ask the question any better.
So here is what (or how) I think I should have asked it:
Why does the drag law I am being told, or recommended, to use in certain apps differ?
Why does the bc on the tin not match what the calculator says it will do AND not match what I see in real life?
I have a ton of stuff to go try out now and I don't feel stuck so thanks.

P.S.
Some people are super smart and they like showing off and that can come across as talking down. But I grew up on the less fun end of a one-way range so it's pretty hard to hurt my feelings. I'm new to improving at this level, not 10 years old.
People can be any combination of wrong, right, nice or a big turd about it. It's all paying for education and now I've got homework or else I just wasted everyone's time with a less than optimal question that ya'll kindly took the time to try to answer.
I can tell you all that there are a LOT fewer and less angry know it alls in this world than in real guns, 3 gun especially. Some folks maybe should be nicer and other people maybe need to let more attitudes slide.


Guys and gals I have been doing my homework which means I have tried figuring it out on my own before bothering you fine folks.
I have a chrony built into my barrel and one at 25 yards.
I am using JSB Exact 44.75gr, a well calibrated mg scale and a brand of micrometer for head size that is so German I'd get kicked out of Disneyland (again) for saying it out loud. What am I doing wrong?
I'm getting bcs from low .03s to mid- high .04s.
I've read some things that are way too complex that I don't have equipment for, radar and such, but we have been figuring bc on paper forever.
What do I do? I intended to go through all my JSB weights and play on all the ballistics calcs to scratch my autism itch for the day but I never got past the JSB exact 44.75.
Frustrated in Fenix

MTC Viper X series Connect 3-12X24AO illuminated scope. Comes with front lens cover, offset rings and it has an AO as well. 200.00 shipped

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I have another Arken scope in Excellent condition no marks. Clear Japanese glass. VHR reticle. Scope was mounted on rifle that I no longer have and sat in box. Bought new...I dont need 7 Arken scopes. Rings for picatinny and flip up scope caps included. No need to keep. $290 shipped

Today at the Junior Sportsman’s session at my club, while the juniors were shooting. I let a few of the attending dads fondle the Pathfinder… I was running the line and overheard them talking bout “BB guns”. One of them owns a Benjamin Fortitude. So I pulled out my case and said when the line goes hot… fondle away. To say they were impressed is an understatement, then I gave them the addresses to the AGN and HAM sites… Am going to set up a specific shooting station for the dads in the next session to deeply set the PCP hooks…

Just had this happen.. Crazy.. Lucky I was just pressure testing and was only at 200 BAR and not higher.

Anyone have this happen? Looks like tank is okay and valave is okay.. Just the O-ring blew out. I had it on tight.

Mike

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are HW barrels pressed in or threaded on the breach block ? EDIT : spring guns as in HW50 , HW 97 etc.

I have had a FX Royale 400 regulated in 22 caliber for 4 years. In the past year I have noticed it has lost some velocity. Say average was 910fps now down to sometimes 885fps. All shot are still very consistent so I didn't think it is the regulator. I changed the breach o ring on suggestion of a member here and that changed velocity just a little to around 890fps. It seams maybe air is leaking around the o ring on each shot. I ordered some 009 Buna-N O rings of 90 durometer. They are pretty hard and a pain to install but it has helped my velocities to be back at 910fps average again for 50 shots. I will see how the long term effect is.

ok it’s back. Selling my beautiful Revere because I don’t have time to shoot it. Comes with one magazine, fill probe and a single shot tray. She’s all stock from aoa. No leaks. JSB 10.34 at about 880. Asking $1450 shipped. no scope. PayPal f&f only please. Will ship to lower 48 UPS GROUND tracked and an adult signature required.

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Just went to buy some pellets.

My HW100 only shoots pin point with Air Arms Diabolo Field, the .177 sized to 4.52mm

My HW57 only shoots straight with RWS Field Line .177

Last time I purchased any pellets, I paid £28 ish for 2 tins of AA and one tin of RWS...

... today I paid £38.48 for exactly the same order.

Thats around a 40% price increase.

Anyone know where you can get online (UK) air gun pellets because at those prices, its going to be cheaper to buy a swage and press my own.

Why on earth are 99% of all Airguns STILL come with an 11mm dovetail mounts!

When 99% of your decent scopes have 22mm scope rings on them.

I can’t find any quality scope rings that will fit both a 1in tube of the scope and have 11mm mounts.

Always have to use an adapter. Which of course raises the scope higher up. Then I tend to need a cheak rest to compensate………